Romney vs. Obama

[Dark Sojourn]

Originally Posted by Papa Bear

if Obama care passes, then you could talk about the US becoming a lefty (which i hope it does btw)

Yeah your right but I said I was just asking a question so pls don't make fun of me later for saying that.
And if you want the USA to go left that's completely normal, I've met a lot of people with the same opinion.

[Papa Bear]

no i just mean, obama care passing

[Dark Sojourn]

Yeah I bet it does pass (for better or for worse).

[LuklaAdvocate]

Originally Posted by Nayr343

Obama care doesn't prove this country is becoming lefty? (this is just a question from a amateur, if you disagree I'll glady listen to your opinion).

Please don't tell me you're one of the people who calls the health care reform "Obamacare?"

Many provisions in the health care law merely take power away from insurance companies who were actively denying people treatment that would save their life. I don't call that a leftist idea; I call it common sense.

Originally Posted by Nayr343

Yeah the republicans mostly get rich white men but that's it really it...compared to the democrats who get support from blacks, hispanics, homosexauls, women, green movement

Not really. Republicans get wealthy white voters, evangelical Christian voters, and seniors. In the end they often times balance out, and the election is decided by swing voters.

Originally Posted by Nayr343

I was also thinking about how democrats are becoming more popular THESE days. I'm not talking about Reagan or bush I'm talking about right now.

Right, but you had used an example back from the Reagan years. So I followed suit.

Originally Posted by Nayr343

You're evidence proves your point really well that republicans were always dominant back then.

My evidence does not prove that. As I mentioned previously, Republicans did not usually control both the executive and legislative branches at the same time. As in the instance of Reagan, as popular as he was, Democrats always had at least one majority in Congress.

Originally Posted by Nayr343

If Obama loses to Romney later this year I'll admit that democrats aren't dominant over the republicans in the present day

The issue isn't as black and white as you're implying. A Democratic or Republican candidate winning an election doesn't instantaneously make that party dominant.

Originally Posted by Papa Bear

if Obama care passes, then you could talk about the US becoming a lefty (which i hope it does btw)

"ObamaCare" passed over two years ago.

[dazed.confused]

I agree Kerry should have won that election

[Dark Sojourn]

Originally Posted by LuklaAdvocate

Please don't tell me you're one of the people who calls the health care reform "Obamacare?"

Many provisions in the health care law merely take power away from insurance companies who were actively denying people treatment that would save their life. I don't call that a leftist idea; I call it common sense. Not really. Republicans get wealthy white voters, evangelical Christian voters, and seniors. In the end they often times balance out, and the election is decided by swing voters. Right, but you had used an example back from the Reagan years. So I followed suit. My evidence does not prove that. As I mentioned previously, Republicans did not usually control both the executive and legislative branches at the same time. As in the instance of Reagan, as popular as he was, Democrats always had at least one majority in Congress. The issue isn't as black and white as you're implying. A Democratic or Republican candidate winning an election doesn't instantaneously make that party dominant. "ObamaCare" passed over two years ago.

... Me and papa bear call it obama care so what? Stop insulting us while I'm trying to agree with you... Oh yeah about that complement, the point that you made that I agreed with you seemed to get you all fussy about what point you were trying to prove. Yeah I understand what you're saying after thinking about it ok so pls...

I thought we were just talking about each parties chances of winning the president elections. I myself didn't explain very well that I was simply talking about who had the advantage in just presidential elections (and I apologize)

And about the wealthy white man thing, I did say there was a few exceptions didn't I?
Yeah Christians do vote republican I'm not that stupid. I'm simply saying that the democrats have a lot of options for possible voters.

[LuklaAdvocate]

Originally Posted by Nayr343

... Me and papa bear call it obama care so what? Stop insulting us while I'm trying to agree with you...

Calm down. I'm not insulting you. Obamacare is an idiotic pejorative term that was created by people who disliked the bill, yet didn't know anything about it. The term is now so common that some people believe that's what the health care bill is actually called.

Originally Posted by Nayr343

Oh yeah about that complement, the point that you made that I agreed with you seemed to get you all fussy about what point you were trying to prove. Yeah I understand what you're saying after thinking about it ok so pls...

...what?

Originally Posted by Nayr343

And about the wealthy white man thing, I did say there was a few exceptions didn't I?

Hold up a minute. You said, "the republicans mostly get rich white men but that's it really it." Both seniors and Evangelical Christians account for a large portion of Republican votes. That doesn't constitute as a "few exceptions."

Originally Posted by Nayr343

I'm simply saying that the democrats have a lot of options for possible voters.

Yes they do, but so does the Republican party.

[Dark Sojourn]

Did I have a Ronald Reagan example? Lol , I was simply comparing Romneys chances to Reagans chances.

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Originally Posted by Nayr343

Obama care doesn't prove this country is becoming lefty? (this is just a question from a amateur, if you disagree I'll glady listen to your opinion). Yeah the republicans mostly get rich white men but that's it really it... (compared to the democrats who get support from blacks, hispanics, homosexauls, women, green movement) There are some exceptions but still mostly rich white men. I was also thinking about how democrats are becoming more popular THESE days. I'm not talking about Reagan or bush I'm talking about right now.
I will admit you're the one of the few dudes I've met on here that brings good evidence (yes that was a complement, TAKE IT!) You're evidence proves your point really well that republicans were always dominant back then. If Obama loses to Romney later this year I'll admit that democrats aren't dominant over the republicans in the present day .

Look back at the original post i made you'll see that I did say "a few exceptions.

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1)Whether if that was an insult or not I'm not taking it personally don't worry dude.

2)I was simply trying to say your point was valid earlier, and I do get what you said.

3)Yes the republicans do have options, my personnal thought on this is just that the democrats simply have more. Idk if you disagree or not it was just an opinion of mine

4) sorry for not posting you're quotes each paired with a reply like you did. I'm just using a iPod and it hurting my fingers doing all of that

[run101]

i don't understand why people dislike Bush so much! a single person cant be to blame for the US's problems! sure the war has gone on a little too long but i 100% agree with the reasons we went to war.... bush wasn't a bad president

[Dark Sojourn]

Originally Posted by run101

i don't understand why people dislike Bush so much! a single person cant be to blame for the US's problems! sure the war has gone on a little too long but i 100% agree with the reasons we went to war.... bush wasn't a bad president

Obama kinda uses bush as a scapegoat in some ways.

[run101]

yeah he does! and he takes credit for the death of osama bin laden..... he may have been in office when it happened but he didn't do it himself. i hate when he uses that as a reason for his return to office!

[SkyFever]

I think I'm going to vote for romney
I think Obama is a good guy & would have been a great president if the congress would have let him actually pass a few laws & put things in motion... & he wasn't the one who put our country in this economic depression. This was a build up of years even before Bush.
But I do not agree with the health reform...
Yes it would be nice if everybody could get health insurance & not get denied but I think there is another way around it besides what he did.
the health reform goes against the constitution,
because now everybody has to get health insurance, yes it will be affordable but at the same time if you don't get health insurance you can be fined up to 2,000 dollars. It's no longer a choice you have to get it or risk getting fined.
I think it's up to the person if they want health insurance or not it should not be a forced thing & that is the only problem I have with it.

[dazed.confused]

Originally Posted by run101

i don't understand why people dislike Bush so much! a single person cant be to blame for the US's problems! sure the war has gone on a little too long but i 100% agree with the reasons we went to war.... bush wasn't a bad president

The economy failed when Bush was in office. A president cannot make the economy better in an instant but he can sure as hell ruin it. Look at the wars in the middle east. We went over there with the goal to find weapons of mass destruction. Bush kept our troops over their for over 10 years and for what? millions of dollars in debt? Did we even find any weapons? No, it was a waste of time and money. Sorry run, but I completely disagree.

If you can provide a commonsensical argument that Bush accomplished anything positive as president, I would love to be proven wrong.

[Laddergoat.]

I'm not American, but I do follow your politics because its humorous to watch. I'd vote Obama, simply because the rest of the candidates are fools, Mitt included.

[Chuck Finster]

Originally Posted by run101

i don't understand why people dislike Bush so much! a single person cant be to blame for the US's problems! sure the war has gone on a little too long but i 100% agree with the reasons we went to war.... bush wasn't a bad president

................... I'm going to assume that's a joke.

But just to clarify, why do you think we went to war?