Okay so this may be a bit "out there" but I am in my high school debate program and this year my case involes female condoms, well the one main barrier is the Catholic Church and their views.

For me, I grew up with strict catholic values but have had to set them aside due to the fact that saving lives is more important to me than whatever moral obligation the catholic church has to promote condoms as "evil". From my eyes, and what I have seen from the treatment of girls that I grew up with, it almost seems as though the catholic church picks and chooses what they believe is right or wrong. They chose what goes into the bible and allow themselves to hide some of Gods word. The amount of corruption that I have seen and found in research is far more than anyother "organized religion". It is my thought that it is time for the Catholic religion to set aside their "moral" view and start living by their value of life is the only way to save lives. Father Valeriano Paitoni sums it up best with this statement "Rejecting condom use is to oppose the fight for life."

Now as I stated, this is my view! I am not forcing it on anyone, I am just trying to see if others views are similar to mine or worthy of changing mine. I am not a very good speller, so any mistakes you see... IGNORE THEM!

Thank you for listening,
B.

I agree with you. The catholic church is pretty corrupt.
As for the condom thing...well it was the catholic church who told people in South Africa not to use them and now loads of people are dying from HIV/AIDS. That's real holy.

The Catholic Church = FAIL.

I can't say I'm fond of Catholicism, either. It just kinda makes me go...ew.

~Maggot

Condoms do not prevent STD's completely. The use of condoms is to corrupt the fight for life. Those little spermies that try to wiggle their way up to the egg will never have that chance of being born, never have that chance at life. Now that is sad. I say that if you have such a desire to have sexual intercourse and squirt your stuff, then be prepared to take the responsibilities of your actions and be prepared to bring life into this world. The problem with condoms/pill is that it encourages premarital sex. The problem with premarital sex is that it does not promise commitment and usually emotional damage is done. I know the desires are great... really, I know. But do you what desire is greater for me? Knowing that I saved myself for the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. That I was/is/will be loyal to her for all my life b/c I love her that much and one way I will show her that is by waiting.... waiting for that girl to come along. People say that your first love will always stay with you. I want that first love to be the one I wake up next to for the rest of my life. So yeah, if the catholic church is saying no condoms, then I guess I agree with them. Learn to live with your decisions, don't try to cover guilt or bad consequences with a condom... it only makes things worse for you in the long run. And to end it with a religious stand point, there is a reason God set rules for the Israelites. He didn't do it b/c he was bored and wanted to see them fail; he did it for their well-being, to make them a holy nation. Those rules can still apply to our everyday lives. The moral, physical, and emotional consequences of using a condom or having premarital sex can be excrutiating. Sorry if I have went a bit off topic, but I do think what I have said connects with your original post. One final thing, though, the catholic church is fairly corrupt and does have many hypocrits in its congregation and elevated positions. However, they are human; and as humans, we are ultimately stupid in our ways compared to God. So please do not base your opinion of what can be the greatest part of your life on what humans, who err often, do or say. Religion does seem to be corrupt as the ages go by, but the relationship with Christ that is the foundation of religion will never make you thirst, never make you hunger, never make you doubt. It truly makes life worth living. Now that I am done going on that tangent, I hope this post made sense to you and if there's any questions at all, feel free to ask!

But they do almost 100% of the time.Ah. So, then, women should have sex every time they're fertile, so as not to corrupt the fight for life? Not having sex when fertile does the same as using a condom.Actually, the reason the Catholic Church disapproves of birth control is the story of Onan in Genesis (I forget what chapter). See, Onan's brother was killed by God, so God ordered Onan to have children with his brother's wife. He didn't feel this was right, though, so when he went to have sex with her, he spilled the semen on the ground. So God killed him (as is God's way).

Many Christians try to say that the reason God killed Onan was because he "wasted his seed", but it's actually just because he disobeyed him.
Only if you view sex as something that requires emotional attachment.
For you, that's all fine and dandy. But many of us don't have any desire to wait until we find someone we MIGHT spend the rest of our lives with. Um...no, it doesn't. You don't have to deal with such sexual frustration, and you don't have to worry about having kids or STDs (most of the time).
The reasons people then weren't supposed to have premarital sex is that a family's inheritance went down through the male line, and the men wanted to make sure a woman's child was his own, so someone else's son didn't get his inheritance. Also, it was believed sperm was limited, and, if a man had premarital sex, he was in danger of using is up, and not being able to produce children, which would result in his line dying out (which was a HUGE deal to them).
Only if a person has the same morals as you. I don't see anything wrong with premarital sex, so it would have no moral or emotional consequence on me...no physical one, either, unless I got pregnant or an STD, HENCE CONDOMS.

You fail so miserably.

~Maggot

Actually, I never said anything about the catholic church saying that they disapprove of condoms b/c of premarrital sex. I said that. I really had no idea what the catholic's standpoint on condoms was until I read this post. Mainly b/c I don't agree with a lot of things the catholic church says so I don't pay much attention to them. So I would feel uneasy saying that the catholic church believes something b/c of w/e. Again, I'm saying that it leads to premarrital sex b/c it allows people to enjoy the pleasure w/o taking the responsibilty. Thus, people can enjoy sexual relations outside of marriage for self-satisfying reasons and have no worry about its consequences as you say you have no worry. That's my entire point. It should be about taking responsibility for your actions, not just having a good time. And there is a prime example of you not saying you feel any emotional attachment or guilt. So what happens when you hurt someone else. Is your conscience clear? The first point you make is pointless, too. I said condoms don't prevent completely and you say they work almost 100% of the time... sounds the same to me. Secondly (or thirdly or wherever I happen to be in the number of points), concerning the spermies racing for the egg (I rather liked the analogy), not having sex and using a condom are not the same at all. Using a condom still promotes lustful actions that amount to nothing. However, your response to what I said is making me debate on using a condom while married. I would still want to consider every sperm sacred (like monty python's song), but it really is completely understandable that you wouldn't want to overpopulate and go completely broke, financially, b/c of so many kids. But still, using a condom during premarrital sex just insures that you don't have to worry about staying connected with the individual you just screwed b/c you don't have to worry about a baby or anything. Sex is a sacred bond b/w two people. You should feel emotionally attached b/c that is what makes sex so incredibly enjoyable. If you do not, I am sorry. Perhaps you may never feel the complete satisfaction of being bonded with one person that will love you forever. I realize that in this day, this concept is not very common because of divorce and what not. But divorce is a different subject, and I really don't want to go off on yet another tangent to this original question. Also, the deal with the Israelites. Actually, many of the people did have premarrital sex and sex outside marriage and what not and the Israelites divided up inheritance accordingly with the legitimate child getting the most. I have never heard of Israelites believing that sperm may be limited or something. And, through my studies with the bible and talks and with scholars, I am sure that the reason God instituted his laws was to make his nation holy. And yes, I do realize that people do not view things as I do, but this post was about what I believe and feel is true as a Christian. I was, in no way, telling you that you have to believe it. It is there, however, for people to read and think about their own and perhaps give insight to those who may not quite know what they think about the subject. I do want to thank you, though, for actually taking the time to read all of it. I looked at it after I was done and realized how incredibly long it was (as this one will probably be), so thank you. However, telling me that I fail at the end is really inappropriate and uncalled for. These are my beliefs. If you do not agree with them then that is your choice. However, there is no need to demean me for only saying what I think. If you want to question it, be my guest, but there's no need to belittle me.

Would you mind breaking that up into smaller paragraphs the next time you make a post so long?

HonestAdvice, I'll reply when you learn to separate your responses. I'm not in the mood to try to read that massive wall of uneducated, illogical, uber-Christian text.

~Maggot

I apologize for the lengthiness of my post, but I assure you that it is not uneducated nor is it illogical. Maybe it is "too" Christian for a post open to the public with so many people that disagree with its beliefs. The problem is that I was taught one thing and you were taught something completely different. Obviously, we are not about to give up our core belief systems anytime soon... or, probably, ever. So I'll take your demeaning words in your last post and just assume you say "agree to disagree."

Actually, I was taught the same thing you were. I can just think for myself.

~Maggot

More people should do that ._.

Definitely. Or, if they can't/won't, at least don't reproduce. o_o

~Maggot

Well this took an entertaining turn...

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. Free will was instated for a reason, though.

That's exactly my point.

~Maggot