Break up of the United Kingdom

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 01:34 AM

There is an ever increasing feeling between the English and Scottish for a break up of the United Kingdom to name England and Scotland as independant nations.

Here is a report http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...6/nunion26.xml although it is from the end of 2006 it is still very relevant.

I'm just wondering on what people's views are on England and Scotland becomming independant nations. Would we survive after around 300 years of union? What would become of Wales and Northern Ireland and would they still be governed by parliament in London? Is this just long lived petty nationalism and rivalry between the English and the Scots? I want to know people's opinions on the matter.

I am in favour of keeping the union strong although I feel there are many things I do not feel are right. One for example is tax payed by those in England is spent abolishing tuition fees for Scottish students in Scottish universities when English students in English universities are having their tuition fees raised higher and higher. I feel that if the union is to continue then tax should benefit those who pay it.

BlockHead2111 · 02-09-2008, 02:18 AM

If Scotland broke off then Wales and Ireland would both want to aswell. That'd probably lead to loads of political rows, and cultural rivalry stronger than it already is.
Suppose they haven't thought about what would happen to the British Army either, because there sure isn't an English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish Army.

iPodge · 02-09-2008, 03:25 AM

And what would happen to our prime minister? He would not allowed to continue being so, he is not english. I heard stats somewhere that something like 12% of scots call themselves british and only 7% of english people do.

I think it is inevitable that it will happen, it is just a question of when and how.

Miss Loo · 02-09-2008, 04:16 AM

Too fucking right they should break up.

BlockHead2111 · 02-09-2008, 05:31 AM

I just don't see why after 200 years of being united, they suddenly wanna split...
And if it does happen, then Gordon Brown can do us a favour and fuck off and ruin their country and leave us be...

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FutureNavyMan08

They certainly have cultural reason for splitting apart, however what interests me is the economic situation. If Scotland is economically capable of forming its own sovereign nation, that is one thing. If it cannot handle the split, however, problems would arise.

That I feel would be Scotland's main problem economically. Much of the money the recieve comes from the United Kingdom Government comes from the English tax payer. Many of the new ideas and policise that the SNP would like to introduce would be next to impossible I think without the support of the union.

BlockHead2111 · 02-09-2008, 05:52 AM

I'm not saying they should do it, but if they do it, then if they struggle, leave them be. Make them learn.

popcorn and cheese · 02-09-2008, 07:11 AM

William Wallace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

iPodge · 02-09-2008, 07:20 AM

Stfu please, if you wanna do stuff like that I suggest you visit Welcome to SPAM.com

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BlockHead2111

I'm not saying they should do it, but if they do it, then if they struggle, leave them be. Make them learn.

If Scotland does break from the union it would create a multitued of problems for England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Also what would happen to parliament and how would our countries survive in the international policial arena after sucha long union?

Carforce · 02-09-2008, 06:06 PM

I think we should like become independant.

My mate didnt even know Wales was connected to England. I had to point it out to her on a map. She thought their was a bridge to cross.

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha Vassily

If there is a plan to break up United Kingdom, let the decison hold till April 2008. Cause I'm planning a holiday to the Highlands on March with my girlie and I don't want to bother with Visa and stuff now.

Haha, I think we can hold until then ^^ considering the SNP doesn;t have a majority government so they can't actually push anything through without a good attempt from labour to stop them but there is an increasing feeling from both sides of the border and personally I put it down to our long bitter irrational hatred for each other

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On a more serious note, if UK breaks up, it will be a pity as it is already very tiny.There is a popular saying, "United we stand, divided we fall". And I'd hate to see a culturally rich and vibrant country that contributed so much to the world of science and literature fall just like that. Set aside your differences and unite together in one large country with all nations, like the European Union or Russian Federation.

I agree that it would be a great shame to watch my country split and my nation make a venture as an independant state and I agree with the quote that you posted.

Now this is a jokey part so if you are a conservative please take it with good humour

We'd have to dispose of the conservative party if we wanted to become more integrated with Europe (something I'd like to see) and doesn't the russian Federation have enough land as it is?

Carforce · 02-09-2008, 06:16 PM

I no. I was shocked. My geography teacher wasnt very happy seeing as he was welsh.

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha Vassily

:eek::eek::eek:

What kind of friends do you hang out with that doesn't even know about their own country?

That's what I was thinking, a person in my form thought that Glasgow was in the ROI.

Tomski · 02-09-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha Vassily

Ah well not a problem seeing we'll let Scots know we're not English. We'll turn Francophone for a while and hope for the best. No I really regret not learning Spanish.

Haha good plan

the Anglo-French hatred should mean the Scots don't mind you too much

but if you would like to fit in better just remember that you should ask for everything to be deep fried

hehe, nah that's a joke.

(Sorry if you get constantly annoyed by my "nah that was a joke/take with good humour" etc. remarks I just don't really want to get attacked because I can see how it can be hard to understand jokes and sarcasm without a tone of expression)

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No offence taken. I don't get offended when its a genuine humour, not a cheap and derogatory one. Considering I'm not British, the British definition of 'conservative' doesn't apply to me either.

Good good

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Russian Federation has more land than it needs and less people to fill it. So there is a popular joke that we should have a business deal where land in exachanged with China for its people. If that gets to reality it'll get quashed by conservatives who want to 'preserve the bloodline of Aryan race'.

Haha, I can imagine a BBC report on this right now