i see another post similar on this about god real or fake, but this is a little diff, we were talking about this in school.

from wiki

"Intelligent design is the assertion that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection"

darwin. simply because otherwise why are there genetic deseases like Huntingtons and HIV (not genetic) and cancer (can be genetic?).
why would a god who is "all loving" create something that causes so much suffering. and cancer has nothing to do with free will.

intelligent design design doesnt mean "god" it just means a higher power created us and our universe, who is to say a intelligent designer didnt create everything to watch us evolve to see if there is in anyway a link to its own evolution.....

higher power {GENERALLY}= GOD!? or this higher wiser power created cancer.... and.... hiv?

Except for a higher power doesn't have to be God.

In Kitzmiller v. Dover, the judge ruled that "The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory."

ID does not explicitly state its religious overtones, the fact that its main proponent is a Christian think tank, that said Christian think tank would utilize ID in a "wedge strategy," and that the main textbook on the subject, Of Pandas and People, "went through many drafts, several of which were completed prior to and some after the Supreme Court's decision in Edwards, which held that the Constitution forbids teaching creationism as science. By comparing the pre and post Edwards drafts of Pandas, three astonishing points emerge: (1) the definition for creation science in early drafts is identical to the definition of ID; (2) cognates of the word creation (creationism and creationist), which appeared approximately 150 times, were deliberately and systematically replaced with the phrase ID; and (3) the changes occurred shortly after the Supreme Court held that creation science is religious and cannot be taught in public school science classes in Edwards. This word substitution is telling, significant, and reveals that a purposeful change of words was effected without any corresponding change in content .... The weight of the evidence clearly demonstrates, as noted, that the systemic change from “creation” to “intelligent design” occurred sometime in 1987, after the Supreme Court’s important Edwards decision."

In short, all evidence points towards Intelligent Design being creationism with fancy terms.

Darwin of course. There are many forms of evidence of Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

The first is the fossil record. If you put fossils in time order, in other words line them up from oldest to newest, you will see that there are changes that occur each time and new things that are added with each new stage.

The second is that natural selection is the cause of evolution, and there is proof that natural selection exists. This proof is seen everywhere in the world. Anywhere you go you will find that organisms that are best suited to the environment they are in will survive. You will also find that organisms of the same species that are not as suited will eventually die out and be replaced by the better suited ones. The website i am posting below has some good examples of this.

The third is that when you look at anatomical features of an animal and the anatomical features of its ancestors, you will see that they have many similarities, and you will also be able to see the changes that occurred over time because of evolution. One example of this is looking at the bone structure of mammals. You would see that they are quite similar yet have some differences.

The fourth is that when you line up the DNA or protein chains of two organisms that are thought to be closely related, you would see that they are more closely related than two organisms thought to be distantly related based on fossil evidence.

This website contains the information i said above plus more:

Evidence for Evolution (Contents)

Because that's life. You shouldn't question God's reasonings for creating stuff like cancer. He has a fuckin' plan for everyone and if yours is to get cancer it's for a reason. Everything happens for a reason, so live with your cancer.

yes but like i was saying what if the designer created our universe and our planet and as it was, but to watch us evolve. then you could have both darwin and intelligent design

Yes, except for... your post is irrelevant to my comment.

Yes, except for... my post just proved that Intelligent Design is clearly meant to refer to God.

My previous post was directed at the post above mine. Whatever implication you thought I had was in your head. So in conclusion: don't assume, and don't bother writing a lengthy response when you're not even sure what you're responding to.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course, created our world with his noodly appendage.

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You stated that the "higher power" doesn't have to be god. I showed that ID's religious antecedents make it quite clear that this "higher power" is meant to be god. How is that in any way irrelevant?