lol i hate that. That stereotype ruins it for a lot of feminists. :\ It's also sad how women are hesitant to call themselves feminists, or use feminists as an insult.

lol okay. i'm not going to counter this with a logical response because then you will be all BLAH BLAH BLAH I H8 THE GAYS I LUV 2 BE CONTROVERSIAL ON THE INTERNET etc and my thread will go down the shitter. please just leave this thread if you're going to discuss feminism.

Draft. Sexual "harrassment" laws. Affirmative action. and many more. The fact that you, among many women, blindly believe that women are the only ones on the "receiving end" of unjust treatment is very alarming. The way that women like you automoatically "pounce" and condemn issues concerning males doing something wrong to women while automatically dismissing claims of females doing unjustice upon males can be considered brainwashing. I am for equality. But not the kind of "equality" that feminists in the 21st century are rooting for. Go figure. And plus, calling many males that don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING on the feminist platform a "sexist" is being overdone and overdramatized as well. I could go on, but for now I have to go do something. Please, before you start off on how "great" feminism is and such, consider what is being done on the other side.

Also, if feminists believe that women are biologically equal to males, what is the need for such affirmative action laws? Women are fully capable of catching up, without unnecessary and unjust "support." This is called capitalism and there is no room for such propoganda as affirmative action in this world.

It depends on the issue at hand. For example, I consider it a luxury that women can choose whether or not to join the army instead of being at risk of being drafted when they turn eighteen.

The day when TRUE "equality" arrives is the day when women must fear the same from draft laws as men. I am content without this as of now. Many radical and moderate feminists these days claim that women are just as capable of fighting in a war, due to use of advanced technology. Well then, why not just force conscription 50 females for every 50 males?

I also disagree that every sort of "move" done by males should be considered a sexual advance. Take the school incidents for example. This has happened everywhere, but I will cite one for clarity. A male teacher last year was filed a lawsuit against for "sexual harrassment" when he caught a female high school student cheating by smuggling cheatsheets up her skirt during a test. Supposedly, it is a law that women teachers are allowed to catch these students for doing such, but men teachers aren't. He had done nothing wrong, yet this overly-paranoid response by the system's rules caused the teacher a lot of trouble just from catching a student cheating in this sort of manner. On top of that, the court ruled in the girl's favor and she got away with it. Things like this happen all over America, which has many anti-male policies as well as anti-female ones.

Women can get by with saying things that men can't. For instance, a TIME magazine article featured a prominent teacher who claimed that "girls are academically superior to boys." I disagree with every aspect of this statement. If a man had said this, he would get publicly castrated and labeled as a 'sexist' for it. The president of Harvard lost his job for saying that males possibly have a biological advantage over females in math and science intellects. I have studied neuroscience and artificial intelligence, and I will tell you that, yes this is true about the difference between the male brain and female brain. What the Harvard president had said was perfectly fine, and yet feminists went crazy over his statement until they got him to resign. This proves that society is so paranoid about men making such claims that might backfire against women that they can't even state obvious facts without landing themselves into trouble. Open up your eyes, this world isn't as "simple" as it seems to be.

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when did i ever make any of these claims? when did i say that only women are on the receiving end of unfair treatment? when did i call anybody a sexist? what the hell

also dude: the world is fucked. just like that teacher issue, just like women being able to get away with things, it's also messed up that nurses in Spain aren't being paid fair wages because they refuse to wear skirts as part of their uniform. i'm not saying it's anyone's fault or either gender is better - or that the world is simple. why are you putting words in my mouth?

anyways. i have homework to go do, seeing as i am FOURTEEN YEARS OLD CUT ME A BREAK HERE PEOPLE

I was just responding to this. I'm glad that you are interested in such as a fourteen year old.

I've never spoken like that nor do i intend to, nor do i intentionally go out of my way to become controversial as i'm just as vocal about my views in person.

I've put my point's on feminism on this thread already and you raised a multi-topic point, so i replied.

Get off your high horse you dick.

Nope. Not at all. I don't think women should be treated badly or anything, and I think they should vote and stuff. But I never get to see my mother anymore because of what the Feminazi's did... Wanting equal pay and all that. It should be based on skill, who can do the job better, but now my family lives on a two-person income instead of just a one-person, and if it wasn't for the Feminazi's we'd be way better off, and I wouldn't have failed so many classes! [due to laziness, and never showing my parents anything. If my mom was there, she would have kept me on track] She actually wants to stay home, but can't, it's different if the women WANT to work, but we really have no choice now. Unless our guys make loads of money...And i don't wanna work, so now I gotta marry someone rich. Great...That's just wonderful. Either way, I still have to work...Damnit I hate working, it means I can't clean the house, I like cleaning. And we have to do that as well...Work, kids, clean, cook, on-and-on...Damn, I don't wanna grow-up. Or work...I don't want a job. *seething with anger*

Yeah, me too. The poll actually suprised me a little though, in a nice way. :]

I don't remember anyone saying that in this thread, or even implied it.
Maybe you should look up "brainwashing" in the dictionary.
Women aren't biologically equal to males. I must have missed a few posts in this thread because I don't remember anyone saying that either. And I think it's silly to just say that women should have to "catch up" with men as individuals when there are still systems in place that favour men over women. When it comes to specific quotas for jobs and things, I'm not so sure because I don't think certain groups of people should be favoured over others because I believe that things should be fair. :]
Another word to look up in the dictionary: "propaganda".

I appreciate that, and I think it is one of the downsides of feminism, that women who want to stay at home aren't able to anymore financially, but I definately don't think think that the label "feminazi" can should be applied to someone who wants equal pay. It's not an extreme feminist belief, that people should be paid the same, regardless of gender, it's just a logical one; with many jobs men and women are able to preform the same, so why shouldn't they be paid the same?

And I get the sense that you're just desperately trying to find something to blame for your own failures. My mum works full time, yet I'm not failing any classes, maybe you need to learn to keep yourself on track.

Pfft! Ha-ha! Ok sorry... Granted I'm easily distracted, but I need someone to keep me on track, that's the point, duh. Besides I can't help it, I have a certain problem. Sure it makes me hella smart, but I can't focus.

You totally missed the point...It does not matter if it is a man or a woman, judge it on skill, but we have this STUPID law the requires equal pay for everyone even if the SUCK at the job. EX: You have a man and a woman, they have the same job, the woman doesn't do he job as well...But get's paid the same amount as the guy, is that fair? No. It can be reversed as well, but you get it right? Because if the guy ever finds out they get paid the same, he's gunna do less work, because he can get away with it, he'll get paid no matter what...Then whatever they make or whatever, we the people have less of. It should be based just on SKILL. SKILLSKILLSKILLSKILL!! It's like how I love solving crimes and such, I'm young a girl but everyone know I have some kick-ass skills when it comes to crime-solving, so they don't think of me as a teenager. They judge me for my skill. Also, the reason I'm behind is because I'm homeschooled...As in: I AM HOME ALL DAY ALL ALONE!! Most of the time. That's why I'm behind, and my moms never home when I get home, my dads always busy with something, so what the Hell am I supposed to do? But that's off-topic...If it was my fault, I would say it was, and it's not, it's because of they did so long ago...OK, now how many biased rules did I break there?

Why would an employer hire someone who doesn't do their job well or not skilled enough? And why would you post this in a thread about feminism? What you've said doesn't really seem relevant.

And why was this user banned?

The problem is lots and lots of people like to overestimate their skills. I have seen so many people claiming they're smart for their age... yet their inability to type like a normal person and their thought process scream otherwise. Some people forget that liking to do something doesn't instantly make them an expert in the field.

As for your being behind, the fact is you're a big girl - old enough to know you can always study on your own. The only subject you'll probably need help in would be math; everything else only requires reading, which is pretty much a solitary activity. So pick up your textbooks or go to the library and borrow some books, and just read. Take some initiative. If I wouldn't study unless my mommy were with me, I would probably not be where I am today.

You're right in that pay is supposed to be based on skills alone. The issue here is that some people are inclined to think the ability of a woman will never match that of a man (which is true in some cases but not always) - hence the lower pay in spite of the otherwise obvious skills.

Because she has participated in another thread and blatantly presents herself as a pro-American there.

Of course it may be only half the story, but I don't want to risk getting banned myself.

Before you go on and disect what I have said, why don't you try to understand my overall point? Btw, I already have looked up "brainwashing" and "propoganda." Why don't you? My main point is there there are both anti-female and anti-male sentiments in America; they coexist. If you refuse to belive that, then you probably are taking into account 3rd world women into the picture, which many people unknowingly do.

I believe that both men and women have the potential to perform on almost the same levels(there are still biological differences in the brain and physical body) but one of the biggest reasons why women don't get paid as much as men is because they are the ones that get pregnant and have to worry about such matrimonial affairs much more than men do. So, in that case one can but not always, argue that women don't perform "the same." I want to have children one day, and this is fine with me to not get paid as much as a man who dedicates much more time to his professions. It is completely fair.

what? i agree that physically most women cannot perform as well as a man but where in the world is there proof that they cannot perform as well mentally? I have never seen any woman who actually took her education seriously that wasn't as smart as a guy. I think because of certain social pressures some girls tend to care more about their appearance and looking pretty than caring about their education. at the same time there are guys who don't care about their education. that is why you can only compare the intelligence of people who take their eduction seriously.