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Old 05-08-2008, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The presidency.

It's hard for me to get excited over the elections. No matter who is president, nothing remarkable gets done. Behind the curtain, everyone is looking out for themselves and not the country.

This is what I've come up with:
The president is nothing but a face. In the case of George Bush, the face is that of someone "incapable" so the focus is put on the president. People will blame ALL the government's problems on Bush, and ignore congress. Meanwhile, the real important issues are covered up by created problems.

The result:
Tremendous profits for corporations. Especially in the industries of Oil, Medicine, and War.


Americans don't care about genocide, abuse of the free market, slavery, human rights violations, and for the most part, the lack of any signifigant cure to any fatal disease.

Instead, we care about the middle east. It was communism, now it's terrorism, and when we get bored with that another 'ism will come. It's fuel, despite our government being run by those who benefit from oil. It's abortion, same sex marriage, and trivial social issues (Don't be insulted, the fact is, these things will change as they're meant to, keeping the process spread out brings more attention away) meanwhile, there's so much more to be worried about.



You get the idea.

Sorry if I don't make much sense, it's 1:00am and I'm tired and not feeling well.

Let me know what you think.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The presidency.

Your logic is flawed. That is, however, typical of the poorly thought out prejudicial anti-American posts on these boards.

Very little progress is made in American politics because it is a democracy. It is the same situation in Canada. The power of the heads of government is limited by constitutions written two centuries ago. It is the one downside of non-fascist government; all changes must go through a lengthy, often exhausting process.

I highly doubt conflicts with communist countries and terrorist organizations are a product of presidential boredom. Communist Russia was a very serious threat and concern to the American people, as is terrorism now. Ignoring them is not a solution to anything, only an invitation for America's many advesaries to wreak havoc.

Also, don't forget that we all benefit from oil, not just the government. It is the most important source of energy currently employed by humans.

As far as human rights, slavery and genocide goes, Americans care about as much as anyone else. Other countries also have the power to help stop it, while others are even responsible for it. They will continue not to care so long as it doesn't affect their way of life. Simple human nature.

I often find it humorous when people, especially those from a developed country, pin capitalism as the root of evil. In truth, everything that makes living in a place like the U.S. desirable originates from corporate America. Technology, medicine, and all the easily accessible requirements for living are driven by the cut-throat competition between companies striving for profit. It is something many will condemn, yet never hesitate to reap the benefits.
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Your logic is flawed. That is, however, typical of the poorly thought out prejudicial anti-American posts on these boards.
Which is no different from your post filled with politically correct denial and very alien to reality.

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As far as human rights, slavery and genocide goes, Americans care about as much as anyone else. Other countries also have the power to help stop it, while others are even responsible for it.
No country is responsible for things that go far away from its borders if it has nothing to do with it. Poking noses in others' businesses creates more harm than good. Americans are responsble for their own deeds, and their own deeds alone, like violation of human rights around the world (and among many of their own), genocide of 11 million humans in a span of 50 years and most importantly, forcibly creating environments conductive to human slavery - like in Vietnam and Cambodia.

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They will continue not to care so long as it doesn't affect their way of life. Simple human nature.
Yes, simple human nature, which Americans absolutely don't possess, hence all their messing up of poor and weak countries they have no business to be in.

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In truth, everything that makes living in a place like the U.S. desirable originates from corporate America.
What about things that make US an undesirable place to live for people from developed countries? What about the things that Americans do to other countries that makes those countries an undesirable place to live? What about the millions of people who have had their Right to Life brutally snatched by American genocides?

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Technology, medicine, and all the easily accessible requirements for living are driven by the cut-throat competition between companies striving for profit.
So is slavery, wars, genocide all of which are driven by the cut throat competition between companies lobbying for these. Capitalism is not a bad thing by itself but when market policy starts to influence government and military decisions, it calls for trouble, like American wars. Capitalism is not a new concept and we have seen the effects of unbridled capitalism in human history - namely imperialism and the two World Wars.

You have just embarked on the same things that Nazis started out with, criticism of others problems and ignoring those closer home or even glorifying systems that are conductive to slavery, genocides and all other inhuman deeds in the world.
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Re: The presidency.

I heard on the radio today they did this contest and more Americans voted for chip flavours over their president. True.
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Re: The presidency.

Dont care much for America anyway. So im not bothered.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: The presidency.

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Your logic is flawed. That is, however, typical of the poorly thought out prejudicial anti-American posts on these boards.
Haha I make one critical post about American government and you call me a prejudiced anti-american and hint at calling me a facist socialist. Priceless.

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Very little progress is made in American politics because it is a democracy. It is the same situation in Canada. The power of the heads of government is limited by constitutions written two centuries ago. It is the one downside of non-fascist government; all changes must go through a lengthy, often exhausting process.
Very little progress is made because the powerheads of government are of the top % incomes, and are very easily swayed by money. Wealthy interest groups have seemingly unlimited power in shooting bills through congress. Yet, if something like healthcare is at stake, it will take years to get it through.

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I highly doubt conflicts with communist countries and terrorist organizations are a product of presidential boredom. Communist Russia was a very serious threat and concern to the American people, as is terrorism now. Ignoring them is not a solution to anything, only an invitation for America's many advesaries to wreak havoc.
The terrorist threat was caused by us. Terrorism and 3rd-party terrorist groups are at an all-time high. Both the democrats and the republicans are ready to go to war with Iran as well.

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Also, don't forget that we all benefit from oil, not just the government. It is the most important source of energy currently employed by humans.
Nuclear energy is much much more effective. Cleaner sources of nuclear energy have been found. It is impossible for a nuclear meltdown to occur with some of the new types of plants that are designed. But if any alternative energy is proposed, we ignore it because our government *Is* lead by leaders of oil companies. That's an obvious fact.

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As far as human rights, slavery and genocide goes, Americans care about as much as anyone else. Other countries also have the power to help stop it, while others are even responsible for it. They will continue not to care so long as it doesn't affect their way of life. Simple human nature.
America pushed for the formation of the U.N. For what? To sit back and ignore countries in need? There's a fine line between respecting soverignty and ignoring obvious human rights violations. We try to show ourselves as world leaders, so you can't compare the U.S. to other countries in that respect.

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I often find it humorous when people, especially those from a developed country, pin capitalism as the root of evil. In truth, everything that makes living in a place like the U.S. desirable originates from corporate America. Technology, medicine, and all the easily accessible requirements for living are driven by the cut-throat competition between companies striving for profit. It is something many will condemn, yet never hesitate to reap the benefits.
I didn't say capitalism is the root of all evil. Our form of capitalism is corrupt.

Medicine should NEVER be driven by capitalism. That encourages lengthy expensive treatments rather than finding cures. Why do you think the FDA will push through BS medicine, yet ignore natural cures which are less invasive?
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Re: The presidency.

Had to make alternate account, as my access to this forum has been suspended.

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Haha I make one critical post about American government and you call me a prejudiced anti-american and hint at calling me a facist socialist. Priceless.
I'm sorry if you think I implied that you are anti-American. Your thread, however, certainly has an anti-American tone to it.

And I'm fairly certain I never hinted at calling you a fascist socialist... as I know fascism and socialism are completely different political ideologies.

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Very little progress is made because the powerheads of government are of the top % incomes, and are very easily swayed by money. Wealthy interest groups have seemingly unlimited power in shooting bills through congress. Yet, if something like healthcare is at stake, it will take years to get it through.
Unlimited is fairly strong wording. However, the current Republican government does openly convey to having a more conservative approach to health care... or pretty much anything. Hopefully, with the likelihood of a democratic government in the next election, that will start to change.

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The terrorist threat was caused by us. Terrorism and 3rd-party terrorist groups are at an all-time high. Both the democrats and the republicans are ready to go to war with Iran as well.
Certainly terrorism is a result of unfavourable acts committed by Americans. That doesn't, however, make it less of a threat to American people, and it needs to be contained.

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Nuclear energy is much much more effective. Cleaner sources of nuclear energy have been found. It is impossible for a nuclear meltdown to occur with some of the new types of plants that are designed. But if any alternative energy is proposed, we ignore it because our government *Is* lead by leaders of oil companies. That's an obvious fact.
Nuclear energy doesn't exactly power cars, trains and planes.

Oil is important to all countries, especially a place like the U.S. where consumerism is so dominant. Therefore, one would expect it to be of considerable concern to the government.

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America pushed for the formation of the U.N. For what? To sit back and ignore countries in need? There's a fine line between respecting soverignty and ignoring obvious human rights violations. We try to show ourselves as world leaders, so you can't compare the U.S. to other countries in that respect.
Pretty sure the formation of the UN was initially to ensure another world war wouldn't occur, as the Treaty of Versailles clearly failed to accomplish that same objective. Providing aid and meddling in foreign affairs is a fine line to walk. A situation the Bush administration did not handle well, and a majority of Americans now agree.

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Medicine should NEVER be driven by capitalism. That encourages lengthy expensive treatments rather than finding cures. Why do you think the FDA will push through BS medicine, yet ignore natural cures which are less invasive?
Why would a medical sector driven by capitalism encourage lengthy solutions to curing disease? Can you imagine the profit potential if someone discovered a sure way to stop certain types of cancer, or aids?

Expensive.... well, yes. Insurance companies can take equal blame for that, however. Also, publicized health care would increase federal tax dramatically. Doctors don't attend medical school for 10 years just to work for free.

Natural cures are less invasive because they have less effect. There is virtually no scientific evidence to suggest they are potentially more effective... only the testimonies of wishful thinkers.
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