This is a thread dedicated to the three USA presidential candidates, and also the American Economy and Government. I respectfully ask that all of those not living/from the USA abstain from this debate.

I say McCain, because I don't like Obama or Clinton. I don't agree with Universal Health Care (it will heavily drop the quality of the Health Care for everyone, while only expanding to 15% more people) and I do not agree with immediately pulling out of Iraq.

Although McCain isn't my favorite, I'd say he's the best bet for the US Presidency.


As for the Government, I think we need to slowly work on cutting down on our military forces. You can't create peace with war, we're way too oxymoronic. Just like in the Cold War, when we had the USSR remove missiles that could hit us when we kept plenty of our missiles that could hit them. This means the US needs to cut its defense budget down. I mean, if we don't keep bullying everybody else militarily we wont have a reason to be afraid of attack from them.

Also, I think we should stay away from Universal Health Care. Sure everybody will have Health Care, but over half of what the Government spends is already spent on Health Care, Social Security, Insurance, and things like that. If we get Universal Health Care taxes will have to be raised to support it, or we'll have to cut the other things like Social Security to pay for it.

Instead, we should focus on the economy. That means raising unemployment and getting rid of inflation and recession. How ever much I hate President Clinton, he really did do wonders with the economy. The Iraq War is really what put us in the shitter, we spent too much on that instead of our economy.

Also, if you're going to debate here I'll have all Bush hates dispelled right now. The man was a president that was put at the head of the Republican party because he was an all around decent leader who would do good with the peaceful times and prosperous economy. However, when he got into office first 9/11 hit and then Katrina, making him having to deal with things he was never expecting to have to deal with. The man has done the best he can, he never prepared for any of this stuff because he didn't know he had to. He was expecting a peace time economic period of Presidency, not the most worst luck term in the past 50 years.

My vote will go to Obama.

John McCain wants to continue the policy that George W Bush has instilled. That means continual tax cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You cannot guarantee that UHC will drop the quality of Health Care for everyone, and not everyone is going to be forced to buy into the system. So I don't see how this is going to effect you.

Second of all, 15% of people without health care is 15% too many. We spend more than any other country in the WORLD on military. By far and away the most. Something like 20 times more. You don't think that we could dedicate some of the 1.17 trillion+ that has been spent on the war in Iraq on our failing educational system or put forth into the universal health care plan?

Why do you not believe we should pull out of Iraq immediately? Iraq is a sovereign nation. They have never attacked the United States. There is nothing more to be done there. I'd at least like some explanations as to why you think McCain is the best option for America, when he is basically the same exact thing as we have already in George Bush.

Just as an FYI I added a lot more to my post, which touched on the military thing.

Another thing with Universal Health Care is it will be Government run, Government controlled, and I do not want that. The Government does not need to control a very important aspect of my life, my Health Care. I do not want them regulating it, for a country when Freedom was once so widely boasted I do not see why everyone wants to jump headfirst into the exact opposite of Freedom.

And yet you support John McCain and the War in Iraq. The same John McCain who supports an eventual war with Iran. The same John McCain who sang the words "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran." The same John McCain who speaks to a room full of people who think it's okay to send an "air mail message" to Tehrain. That's the John McCain you support as the eventual president? Your entire stance is oxymoronic.

Incorrect. The Bush tax cuts will be eliminated on the upper 1%, who will basically fund the the entire program themselves. John McCain supports the Bush tax cuts for the upper 1%, while the middle class continue to flounder and move backward. You're worried about taxes being raised. They've already been raised. There are billions and billions of dollars being poured into senseless, ass-backward programs that this administration has created and funded that will be slashed and pushed toward the UHC program. Furthermore, social security is broken and will need to be reconfigured in the first place. Neither Clinton or Obama are talking about taking away from SS funding to put toward UHC.

And this is a war you still support! We are spending millions of dollars every single day on this war, a war you don't think we should pull out of! Do you realize how much of a drain this war STILL is on our economy? 5,000 dollars per SECOND. 12 billion dollars a month. We didn't "spend" too much on it, we're spending too much on it. Period.

He wasn't a decent leader. He was a fraud, an idiot and turned Texas to shit.

Are you serious? So he is excused because he didn't expect it? As President, you HAVE to be ready on day 1 to accept the responsibilities that come with the title. You have to be able to be ready for anything that happens. He hasn't done the best he can. He's run the United States into the ground and turned our country into a bigger joke than it already was. We're the butt of every single joke anymore. Nobody likes this country, including the majority of the people in it. He hasn't done the best he can, he has played to the interests of his friends and family and has completely screwed the American worker, John and Jane Doe in the process.

Don't give me this crap that he's done the best he can. He won the election via fraud. He went to war via fraud, illegally. He's given tax cuts to those who don't need it. He's broken the economy. He's broken the trust between Americans and their government. He's been likened to Hitler, for Gods sake. He's waging a genocide in the Middle East and getting innocent men and women killed, both Iraqi, US and other.

Get on a plane and fly into Baghdad and look all of those families in the eyes and tell them that he's done the best that he can. Look an 8 year old child in the eyes that has lost his mother, father, sisters and brothers and is missing an arm or a leg or is deaf in one or both ears and try to convince him that George W Bush has done the best that he can.

Go to Ohio or Pennsyvlania and tell people there who are working 2 or 3 jobs and can't afford to send their kids to school or can't make their house payment on time and have been threatened to be foreclosed on a few times that George W Bush is doing the best he can and is sorry because "he didn't expect this." Nobody expects tragedy as a president. Kennedy didn't expect the Cuban missile crisis. Roosevelt didn't expect World War 2. Don't excuse what he's done just because he hasn't expected it. Millions of people, both in the US and the Middle East, have died because he "wasn't expecting it."


Wrong again. It isn't going to be government run and government regulated and you aren't going to be FORCED to buy into it in the first place. You can keep your private physician if that's what you want to do. Nobody is forcing you to buy into the system. That's the common misconception.

Not worth getting into another one of these, I suppose. I've changed my views much on the subject.

Basically:
NO NO NO NO NO NO NEVER NEVER NO NO NO to Clinton
Yes on Obama, though I do not think he is that spectacular, but he will be a great (hopefully, he will be the) president. If I were able to vote (oops, I'm only 16) my vote would go for him.

Now, for McCain. John McCain is a good man, I think (have you heard his war stories? No? He was a hero, he really was.) But that does not mean he will make a good president.

I think it's stupid for anybody who hasn't lived in Southern Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or California to have a view on illegal immigrants. You honestly don't know how it is (no, your local news channel will NOT give you much an idea on how it is.) And I don't think McCain understands either because his daughters go to.... All Saints? I believe it is. Yes, All Saints. I don't think he knows what to do or REALLY how it (Yes, I understand that he lives in Phoenix. Him and I lived very close together before he moved)

...Wait, I'm not even going to continue on that, it didn't make any sense...


Basically, Obama.

Just because a person has never lived in a border state or a heavily Hispanic state doesn't mean they're unqualified to discuss the way immigration has effected them. And to blame the immigrants is silly in the first place.

Probably McCain, there might be a chance I'll vote for Obama. But I'll never vote for Hilary.

A vote for John McCain is a vote for George W. Bush. I hope everyone is aware of that.

I'm pretty much of aware of that. That's why I said I might vote for Obama. Heck, I might not even vote!

Don't not vote. Even if you vote for someone like Mike Gravel or Ralph Nader, the worst thing you can do is not vote.

Well, I got a lot of time to think about it. And if I can't make up my mind in the mean time, I'll just vote for Ralph Nader.