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03-20-2007, 01:56 AM
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Do you believe that the theory of evolution is true?
If so, do you believe in microevolution (small scale evolution... like a dog breed changing slightly) or macroevolution (we all come from a single common ancestor millions of years ago)?
Also, how much do you know about evolution, and where do you get your information? Science classes? Your parents? Your priest? Do you think that affects your attitude towards it?
My personal position: the theory is absolutely true. It is a "theory", but then so is gravity. We all derive from a single common ancestor through natural selection. In fact, there is nothing about us that can't ultimately be explained by how we evolved. The evidence for macroevolution is overwhelming.
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03-20-2007, 02:04 AM
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Re: evolution
it all started out with a single celled ameba that split, and under differnt conditions mutated and split mutated and became 2 celled etc;
thats my theory.
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03-20-2007, 02:13 AM
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Re: evolution
I ain't too sure. Maybe.. 
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03-20-2007, 02:44 AM
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Re: evolution
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it all started out with a single celled ameba that split, and under differnt conditions mutated and split mutated and became 2 celled etc;
thats my theory.
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Amoeba weren't around yet, but otherwise true.
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03-20-2007, 07:50 AM
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Re: evolution
Yeah, in the beginning was nothing... which exploded. And here we are today. [/light-hearted sarcasm]
Mmm... my answer was Yes, partly, because microevolution is a given.
Macroevolution has no credibility though, and contradicts everything I've come to believe about where we came from.
I do know quite a bit about the theory. Science classes (Biology, geology, astronomy, anatomy, etc.), my parents, certain sites, and certain television shows.
But that really doesn't make a difference to me anyway, because I don't consider the study of our origons science.
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03-20-2007, 09:05 AM
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Re: evolution
Evolution and religion don't mix. G-d could've caused evolution to happen, u know.
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03-20-2007, 09:53 AM
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Re: evolution
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Evolution and religion don't mix. G-d could've caused evolution to happen, u know.
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Those two statements just completely contradicted themselves.
But yeah sure, God could've used evolution to create. He could've done anything.
But it doesn't matter what He could've done.
All that's important is what He said He did. And what He said he did is a far cry from what the evolutionary theory claims.
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03-20-2007, 11:49 AM
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Re: evolution
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Mmm... my answer was Yes, partly, because microevolution is a given.
Macroevolution has no credibility though, and contradicts everything I've come to believe about where we came from.
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No credibility??? How's that, exactly? I find it a lot more credible that we evolved gradually from lower organisms than that an invisible, omnipotent being created us suddenly out of nothing.
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I do know quite a bit about the theory. Science classes (Biology, geology, astronomy, anatomy, etc.), my parents, certain sites, and certain television shows.
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I fail to see how anybody who knows anything substantial about macroevolution and who isn't completely deluding themselves can state that it has "no credibility."
Here's for credibility:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: the Scientific Case for Common Descent
Early Theories of Evolution: Evidence of Evolution
Evidence for Evolution (Contents)
Evidence of evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And furthermore it is such an elegant and common-sense theory that it takes some serious self-delusion to see it for what it is and say that it doesn't have any credibility.
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But that really doesn't make a difference to me anyway, because I don't consider the study of our origons science.
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Only if you make our origins a matter of religion are they not a matter for science. Science deals with the observable and religion is the ultimate unobservable.
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03-20-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: evolution
I believe in microevolution. But not in macroevolution. We can evolve slowly, but will not cause a big change. Because what we have is DNA. If human has RNA, it will be possible, because RNA has more possibility of making a mistake when it's reproducing than DNA.. That's why it's more dificult to fight a virus with RNA than a virus with DNA, because a virus with RNA mutate faster than a virus with DNA. (I know about the RNA and DNA thing from my biology teacher. But, the impossibility of macroevolution is only my prediction)
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03-21-2007, 11:31 AM
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Re: evolution
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Originally Posted by Saved-by-Grace
Those two statements just completely contradicted themselves.
But yeah sure, God could've used evolution to create. He could've done anything.
But it doesn't matter what He could've done.
All that's important is what He said He did. And what He said he did is a far cry from what the evolutionary theory claims.
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K, lets say g-d did create the world, u don't know how long each day was 4 g-d. A day could've been a couple of yrs b/c g-d has no concept of time. So evolution still could've happened.
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03-21-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: evolution
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K, lets say g-d did create the world, u don't know how long each day was 4 g-d. A day could've been a couple of yrs b/c g-d has no concept of time. So evolution still could've happened.
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No concept of time? God created time.
He's outside of it, but He has a perfect concept of it.
And taking the language and it's context in Genesis, it's very clear that the word day means a literal 24-hour day.
When the hebrew word "YOM" follows a number or the words "morning" "evening" or "night", it means a normal day.
And that's just the case in Genesis.
And godless_musician, macroevolution has no credibility in my eyes, because, for one... it completely contradicts God's Word.
And two... it's a totally man-made theory.
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Only if you make our origins a matter of religion are they not a matter for science. Science deals with the observable and religion is the ultimate unobservable.
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A very broad, unfair statement.
Actually, humanism and atheism are as much "religions" as is, say... Christianity.
However that's not the point.
We cannot observe evolution today.
Show me where a dog turns into anything but a dog.
Show me where one organism turns into a complete other.
It can't be done.
The fossils, DNA samples, yada, yada, that you use as evidence for evolution are the same exact ones I use as evidence for creation.
We look at the same world.
But because of our conflicting presuppositional biases, we will always interpret what we see differently.
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03-21-2007, 02:35 PM
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Re: evolution
so if a new animal was created, it would just drop out of the sky? or just appear?
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03-21-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: evolution
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I believe in microevolution. But not in macroevolution. We can evolve slowly, but will not cause a big change. Because what we have is DNA. If human has RNA, it will be possible, because RNA has more possibility of making a mistake when it's reproducing than DNA.. That's why it's more dificult to fight a virus with RNA than a virus with DNA, because a virus with RNA mutate faster than a virus with DNA. (I know about the RNA and DNA thing from my biology teacher. But, the impossibility of macroevolution is only my prediction)
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Humans have both RNA and DNA. The DNA we have is used to manufacture RNA, which is used to manufacture proteins. Mistakes can happen at nearly any point in the whole process, such as point mutation when a single nucleotide base pair is miscopied. (I think. Don't quote me on the last part.)
Saved-by-Grace, I think you have every reason to personally disbelieve the evolution theory, but forgive me if I get angry when you say that it has no credibility as a theory. As for your first reason for objecting to it, it sounds an awful lot like you have a conclusion you are determined to arrive at no matter what the evidence along the way--that is, creation. Even if you do accept creation, shouldn't the evidence show how God created us--through evolution? The evidence seems to show that we evolved, whatever began or oversaw the process--so if you do accept creationism, why does the theory of evolution have to be thrown out? Anyway, that's not the point. Since I see evidence as taking precedence to faith (we were born with eyes and ears, after all--not a built-in Bible unit) if the evidence (which favors macroevolution) conflicts with religion it's *religion* that needs to be thrown out. Nor does it really matter that it's a "man-made theory", since aren't all theories, ideas, and religions man-made?
As for the "I haven't ever seen anything evolving" part, you also have never seen grass growing, unless you're extremely patient. Likewise, you would also have to be extremely patient as well as thousands of years old to see what you're talking about--one animal becoming another. Nobody has seen that. But we have seen evidence for it. (Have you seen Jesus?)
Evolution doesn't happen by new species popping out of the ground and saying "look, new DNA!" It happens by gradual mutation and sexual recombination, which is harder to see through binoculars.
I'm really not attacking your faith--what I'm trying to attack is holding on to faith even when it goes directly against what's right before your eyes.
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03-22-2007, 10:59 AM
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Re: evolution
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No concept of time? God created time.
He's outside of it, but He has a perfect concept of it.
And taking the language and it's context in Genesis, it's very clear that the word day means a literal 24-hour day.
When the hebrew word "YOM" follows a number or the words "morning" "evening" or "night", it means a normal day.
And that's just the case in Genesis.
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YOM means day, but that doesn't cancel out that the morning could have been 28 hours and night 4 or something.
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