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View Poll Results: death penalty- right or wrong? | |
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06-13-2008, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Angelwings411 In all honesty, I don't think the death penalty is fair and I am absolutely against it.
1- If we are putting someone to death for putting someone else to death, how does that make any sense? Life for a life? That makes US the murderers.
2- Some people are convicted, killed, and later found innocent. Not to mention some people are mental and have no idea of what is right or wrong. How can you kill someone who can't depict what they did was right or wrong?
3- It costs America [not sure about other countries] more money to impose the death penalty, than it does life in prison.
4- The death penalty is kinda/sorta putting an evil person out of their misery. Instead, let them spend life in prison reflectiing on their actions, and maybe getting ass-raped on the side? | 1)If somone went on a killing spree through your city killing people and (possibly) degrading their bodies, woudn't you want him(or her) dead? I would
2)I do feel bad about innocent people who are put away.
I also feel that the mental insanity plea is used too much in general. There is a big difference between insane and morally corrupt psychopaths.
3) I did not know, thanks for the fact =P
4)This could work. Although some may still pose a threat in prison. As long as they have no possibility of perole, I think some could use some reflection time. |
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06-14-2008, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer 1)If somone went on a killing spree through your city killing people and (possibly) degrading their bodies, woudn't you want him(or her) dead? I would | Of course they pose a great threat to the lives of innocent people, but a life is still a life. If they were killing people we would just stoop to their level by killing them. Eye for an Eye isn't justice, it's called Vengeance. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Dreamer 2)I do feel bad about innocent people who are put away.
I also feel that the mental insanity plea is used too much in general. There is a big difference between insane and morally corrupt psychopaths. | Yeah it is used too often, but that doesn't change the fact that there are mentally insane people who have become murderers. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Dreamer 3) I did not know, thanks for the fact =P | Glad to help. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Dreamer 4)This could work. Although some may still pose a threat in prison. As long as they have no possibility of perole, I think some could use some reflection time. | Oh if someone has killed another person, I don't think there even should be a parole. If they pose a threat in prison, I personally couldn't care. They put the worst with the worst anyways so if one of them hurt one another, just think of it as payback as bitchy as that sounds. |
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06-14-2008, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Angelwings411 They put the worst with the worst anyways so if one of them hurt one another, just think of it as payback as bitchy as that sounds. | In your very same post, you just that that an, "Eye for an Eye isn't justice, it's called Vengeance."
Which is it? The death penalty is vengeance and so is "payback." |
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06-14-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LuklaAdvocate In this very same post, you just that that, "Eye for an Eye isn't justice, it's called Vengeance."
Which is it? The death penalty is vengeance and so is "payback." | Good point.
Well since they put worst with the worst, they probably have the capability to hold their own. |
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06-14-2008, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Angelwings411 Good point.
Well since they put worst with the worst, they probably have the capability to hold their own. | If some 230 pound murderer, who strangled his victims to death, went against some little squirt who used firearms for his murders, I highly doubt the second guy is going to be holding his own against a guy who weights 2X more than he does. |
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06-14-2008, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LuklaAdvocate If some 230 pound murderer, who strangled his victims to death, went against some little squirt who used firearms for his murders, I highly doubt the second guy is going to be holding his own against a guy who weights 2X more than he does. | Nice job, dude.
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Well for the record, do you think the death penalty is wrong or right? |
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06-14-2008, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sasha Vassily The best ways to apply death penalties are :- - Child rapists - Feed them to pigs
- CIA spies - Feed them to pigs
- Serial killers - Firing squad
- Cold blooded murderers - Firing squad
- Drug cartel leaders - Drug overdosage
I am sure the first two will be opposed by a certain section of people because they make up a lot of these kinds. | 
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06-14-2008, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Angelwings411 Nice job, dude.
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Well for the record, do you think the death penalty is wrong or right? | Thanks.
I'm against the death penalty. Both from a moral standpoint, and because it doesn't seem to be a deterrent to crime. In fact, from what I've seen, places with the death penalty actually have a higher crime rate than places without the death penalty. |
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06-14-2008, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LuklaAdvocate Thanks.
I'm against the death penalty. Both from a moral standpoint, and because it doesn't seem to be a deterrent to crime. In fact, from what I've seen, places with the death penalty actually have a higher crime rate than places without the death penalty. | I've noticed that too!
And I too am against it. |
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06-14-2008, 07:23 PM
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Money: 7,781 Points: 12,803, Level: 27 | | Re: Death Penalty- right or wrong? I suppose it would depend on the criminal's approach to the crime. If they're remorseful, then life in prison is punishment enough, and it gives a facet for rehabilitation. If they clearly don't care, then there's no point giving them a prison place for them to think about what they've done, everyone is better off with them dead. |
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06-14-2008, 07:36 PM
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Money: 41,281 Points: 49,607, Level: 54 | | Re: Death Penalty- right or wrong? I am against the Death Penalty.
I do not think that it is ever right to take another person's life and so I do not believe that the state should have the right to do what we all know is wrong, to kill people.
Somebody said earlier that is somebody went on a killing spree in my town would I not want them dead?
My answer would most likely be that yes, I probably would wish that they would die but vengeance is not the right course of action. We should take the moral high ground knowing that killing is wrong and a state execution just has papers to "justify" it.
Another common argument that I have seen displayed in this thread is that if the crime can be proved beyond all resonable doubt then the death penalty should be the correct punnishment. Of course for some crimes it is possible to prove 100% somebody is guilty however you can't for a lot of crimes! So if a person is proved guilty beyond all reasonable doubt then they would get the death penalty. What about a person who has been found guilty, but has not been proved guilty 100%? Does this second person also receive the death penalty? If so, an injustice has occured. If not, was it fair to kill the other person?
Life time imprisonment with not chance for parole, I think is the punishment that people who have commited these heinous crimes should be given. By "life" I don't mean the 30 year term of the UK but life. They also should have the rights enjoyed by free citizens taken away from them for the horrific crime they have performed. They should also have to perform duties like I am aware they do in prison now anyway. |
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06-16-2008, 10:25 AM
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It costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for someone to be in jail for 25 years, therefore it's cheaper to make them extinct. |
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06-16-2008, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by seneca morally wrong, but real world wise the right thing to do.
It costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for someone to be in jail for 25 years, therefore it's cheaper to make them extinct. | To house a Texas inmate, for 40 years, in a maximum security prison, costs $40,000. To appeal a capital murder (just appealing) costs around $2,300,000. The Economics of Capital Punishment
The death penalty requires a lot more money than putting somebody in prison for life. BalancedPolitics.org - Death Penalty (Pros & Cons, Arguments For and Against) |
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06-16-2008, 12:12 PM
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Money: 61 | Re: Death Penalty- right or wrong? Capital punishment, though called "punishment," is more about public safety than punishment. I am not concerned with someone being "punished," because if zie believed what zie did was wrong, zie would not have done it in the first place. I don't think there's anything you can do to change hir mind--even if you kill hir or zie spends hir life in prison, zie will always believe zie was somehow "wronged" by The Man.
But if you can keep hir from hurting anyone else, and if we, as a culture, can learn to stop fostering violence in everyone from our children to the elderly--that's something. |
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06-16-2008, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wholeon if zie believed what zie did was wrong, zie would not have done it in the first place. I don't think there's anything you can do to change hir mind--even if you kill hir or zie spends hir life in prison, zie will always believe zie was somehow "wronged" by The Man. | That is...well...really wrong. People who have done even awful crimes can be quite capable of feeling remorse, or can accept that what they did was a crime. Certainly I'm sure there's plenty of criminals who don't feel that the establishment was out to get them. | | | | |