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07-01-2008, 04:34 AM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but in a true democracy the majority selects the president/party (depending on the government) that is in power hence it is partly the fault of the citizens.
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Exactly. Leaders are more often than not, a good representation of their people, especially in a democratic setup of government.
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07-01-2008, 04:45 AM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but in a true democracy the majority selects the president/party (depending on the government) that is in power hence it is partly the fault of the citizens.
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The United States isn't a "true" or "pure" democracy.
Also, the majority of the country can vote for a specific candidate, but the opposition can still take victory, due to the U.S. system of electoral college.
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07-01-2008, 05:41 AM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but in a true democracy the majority selects the president/party (depending on the government) that is in power hence it is partly the fault of the citizens.
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In a TRUE DEMOCRACY, yes...but the USA is a republic that has never been exactly fair to minority voters (that is, people of color, women, teh gay, etc) and is skewed in favor of conservative rural regions. Err, what Lukla said -- somehow I missed that.
The country's approaching facism. Small group of dedicated wack jobs are running shit.
And whoever is talking about Tony Blairs' wars...last I checked, he wasn't any (official) part of the US government or even an US American...so excuse my confusion.
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07-01-2008, 07:01 AM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
I hate what America has become mostly. A lot of our troops are extreme and "pumped up" but you can say the same for a lot of soldiers who have to go through war. Especially when the war is going badly many get depressed or home-sick. In Vietnam some soldiers tossed grenades at their Captains out of pure frustration. I think its unfair to blame America (or Americans) for something that a couple people did. And even though I know friendly-fire is completely wrong and absurd I only blame the soldiers in the deepest area of my prejudgment.
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07-01-2008, 07:33 AM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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"American" is not a race....It's a nationality.
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Exactly what I was going to say.
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Way to hate a country due to the mistakes of a few soldiers. Sure makes you sound like a charmer...
Welcome to war; nobody said it was pretty, and nobody said mistakes aren't going to happen.
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I agree; it really is unfair to pin the mistakes of a few on the all American soldiers present in the Middle East.
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I'm American and I totally agree. the US seems to get themselves into every war possible and stick their noses in every one else's business.
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It may seem like we do stick our noses into everyone's business, but we are a major superpower in the world. A lot of people will look to us and say, "What the hell are you going to do about this? We need your help!"
I also address this fact below...
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If it a conflict has absolutely nothing to do with United States, they will not be criticised no matter what. It is infantile of Amercans to think that they will be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Well, to be frank, Americans (in general) are stupid even if when they are top rank military officers. They know little to nothing about the world and the average adult American has less political awareness than a 9-year-old schoolkid in Bologna. The combat troops in American military are little more than brain-dead killing machines and the military units in US have no politically aware personnell as aides or mentors. Hence 'friendly fires', as they happen in Iraq/Afghan Wars are nothing uncommon, considering the average American soldier believes that anything that does not wear the stars and stripes is 'enemy'. The best way the British forces would be able to avoid American 'friendly fires' would be to swallow their patriotism and use US military/political insigna for their troops and vehicles.
NB: If Americans want to argue any of my above points, please do so like civilised humans - sans abuses, swearwords and personal attacks. I am hopeful that with a little effort, even Americans can have a reasonable and civil discussion. 
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Americans aren't necessarily blamed for things that they didn't cause, but we are blamed for not taking initiative to help other countries. Do you recall the genocide in Rwanda in the 1990s? People were asking, "Where is the United States? Why aren't they helping?" We were running scared because of what happened to American soldiers in Somalia a few years before.
So, Americans are stupid because many of us are politically unaware? That's not stupidity; it's being politically unaware. There are many people who are smart human beings, but are not up on everything that goes on in the world. It really is unfair for you to deem Americans, "in general," as stupid because some of us don't know all the in's and out's of the world system.
I don't know where you get this profile of the American soldier as a "brain-dead killing machine," but that is a completely ridiculous assumption to make. What proof do you have that the "average American soldier" believes that everyone who is not an American is an enemy? You are making statements that you cannot back up with factual proof.
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07-01-2008, 01:30 PM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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I agree; it really is unfair to pin the mistakes of a few on the all American soldiers present in the Middle East.
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What about the majority of Americans who support what these soldiers and their supreme commander is doing in the middle east? Ever heard of the concept, "crime by association"?
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It may seem like we do stick our noses into everyone's business, but we are a major superpower in the world. A lot of people will look to us and say, "What the hell are you going to do about this? We need your help!"
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Which is, at best, a lie and at worse an arrogant attempt at creating self importance. No one really cares what you do in the world as long as you keep your long ugly noses out of other people's business. The Soviet Union was a superpower, so is Russia today and so will China be in the near future. No one really looks at Russia and says, "What the hell are you going to do about that?" just because Russia is a superpower.
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Americans aren't necessarily blamed for things that they didn't cause, but we are blamed for not taking initiative to help other countries. Do you recall the genocide in Rwanda in the 1990s?
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I do recall the genocide of Rwanda and I also recall that no one really criticised the US except France and Belgium who needed to cover their backsides by shifting the blame on US.
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People were asking, "Where is the United States? Why aren't they helping?" We were running scared because of what happened to American soldiers in Somalia a few years before.
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Can you give any proof that any person in political/military authority made such a public statement? You are simply bringing up empty claims that have no factual evidence whatsoever.
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So, Americans are stupid because many of us are politically unaware? That's not stupidity; it's being politically unaware.
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If someone tries to argue about something that know little to nothing about, it is not a sign of anything but plain stupidtity.
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There are many people who are smart human beings, but are not up on everything that goes on in the world. It really is unfair for you to deem Americans, "in general," as stupid because some of us don't know all the in's and out's of the world system.
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Smart people know that they should get into an argument against an opponent who is far better equipped than they are. For example, a smart person wouldn't get into an argument about geopolitics or military psychological profiling with no training, experience or authority in the area. Replacing them with Anglo-American media catchwords like "we are superpower, everyone needs our help" is not going to help in here.
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I don't know where you get this profile of the American soldier as a "brain-dead killing machine," but that is a completely ridiculous assumption to make. What proof do you have that the "average American soldier" believes that everyone who is not an American is an enemy? You are making statements that you cannot back up with factual proof.
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I drew up the psychological profile with my team, after comprehensive scientific analyses of the mentality of American military personnell. Which is based on personal experiences, experiences of others and decades of American military history. Unless neurosciences advance to an extent that beliefs can be decoded to material or electronic existence, there is little that one can do to 'prove' what the typical American combatant believes. In case you are not aware, psychological profiles are never taken as 'factual proof', any more than police 'confessions' are taken a courtroom evidences. Both are at best, guides for further understanding of the subject or the crime; there are always room for modification or exceptions.
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07-01-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
Im sorry you feel that way. Just a little reality, americans can't control the troups. First of all you should blame the president or the goverment, not the americans. Why are we stupid in the first place, do you have actual proof we started anything, are you sure you didn't start crossfire with us. You don't hate Americans, you may hate the country or dislike the government or the people running it, but you definatly don't hate. You don't even know american's i bet, just because were born in america does not mean we love everything thats going on. I HATE that any country has problems with eachother, whether our country is involved or not. I don't mean to sound rude, but you don't fully know Americans, I love my country and everybody elses...so don't get innocent people mixed up in your little so-called HATRED. You want to talk more message me.  even though you hate me, I love you. Not romance kinda love, but family type. Like it or not i think all people are like family.
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07-01-2008, 09:43 PM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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No, it's true.
But what about the citizens who DO NOT vote for the winning canidate?
It isn't their fault other citizens make stupid decisions now is it?
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This is why I said partly the citizens fault. It does however give a fair representation of the political and civil views of the countries population at the time and one cannot deny such.
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The United States isn't a "true" or "pure" democracy.
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Then America is not the land of the free and they should have no right to say that they are introducing democracy around the world.
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Also, the majority of the country can vote for a specific candidate, but the opposition can still take victory, due to the U.S. system of electoral college.
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Can you explain this in further detail please?
If a minority can elect a president over the majority even if the majority have made their decision how is the USA in any position to act as the front-runner for democracy in the world?
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In a TRUE DEMOCRACY, yes...but the USA is a republic that has never been exactly fair to minority voters (that is, people of color, women, teh gay, etc) and is skewed in favor of conservative rural regions. Err, what Lukla said -- somehow I missed that.
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Hence this is evidence for that argument that the majority are in favour of what the country does. Black people, women and homosexuals have the vote do they not also? We are not back in the times of the Suffragettes.
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And whoever is talking about Tony Blairs' wars...last I checked, he wasn't any (official) part of the US government or even an US American...so excuse my confusion.
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Tony Blair used to be Leader of the Labour party in the United Kingdom until a year ago so of course he was not part of the government of the USA. He had been Prime Minister from 1997-2007 and so responsible for any wars that the UK declared in that time period. What some people are saying is that it is his fault that our troops are in these countries and so he is partly responsible for their deaths at the US army's hands during friendly fire.
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07-01-2008, 10:46 PM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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Then America is not the land of the free and they should have no right to say that they are introducing democracy around the world.
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America is "free," but only up to a point. The United States is a republic, not a pure democracy.
A pure democracy is where the people vote on every issue, making laws, such as murder illegal and drinking legal.
A republic has its citizens voting people into power that make the decisions for them.
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Can you explain this in further detail please?
If a minority can elect a president over the majority even if the majority have made their decision how is the USA in any position to act as the front-runner for democracy in the world?
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The electoral college. Each state has a certain amount of electoral votes; the candidate who wins the state gets that states votes, and the candidate who receives 270 electoral votes wins the presidency.
The system is used so the smaller states are able to keep some power. If there was had no electoral college, all the political power would be in the biggest states.
I also find it somewhat interesting that while the president with the minority of the vote can win, you are continuing to state that the person voted in, "gives a fair representation of the political and civil views of the countries population."
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07-01-2008, 11:46 PM
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Re: Im not racist!!!
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America is "free," but only up to a point. The United States is a republic, not a pure democracy.
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Like the People's Republic of China, you mean?
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