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Old 04-17-2007, 01:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i wanna know how everyone feels about the war in iraq, i'm just wondering if people from other country's have the same opinion about the war that americans do.
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

The war is nothing more than an attempt for America to expand its imperialistic goals and secure resources and monopolies at the expense of other people. If not, then it is the greatest single act of stupidity by popular vote.
Iraq was a harmless power by the end of the second Gulf War. It had no weapons of mass destruction and so far the war has done nothing but cause unrest and ruined what may have been a long-lasting peace, peace at a great cots, but peace none the less.
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The war is nothing more than an attempt for America to expand its imperialistic goals and secure resources and monopolies at the expense of other people. If not, then it is the greatest single act of stupidity by popular vote.
Iraq was a harmless power by the end of the second Gulf War. It had no weapons of mass destruction and so far the war has done nothing but cause unrest and ruined what may have been a long-lasting peace, peace at a great cots, but peace none the less.
I hope you're not implying that all Americans are as stupid as G. Dubya. This was, in fact, his doing.

I agree with the fact that he was wrong about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. I honestly think it's a sort of cover-up to a mistake he's made. I feel as if it's almost Bush is trying to justify his reasons for going over there by freeing the Iraqi people.

Don't get me wrong. I think that those people should have been freed from Sadam Hussein's terroristic reign, but come on...I don't think it should have been a way for Bush to justify his reasons for sending troops there after he realized that he made a major mistake.

The Iraqi's are free now. We have been training their military forces, and I think it's time that we get our troops back home safe. It's time for them to take hold of their country for themselves.

But, this is JMHO.
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

Under Suddam the peace which was created, although costly, had given way to a society that while repressed under a militarist regime, was still growing economically and socially. This peace was shattered when the government and many of the people decided it was prudent to invade. Now, the region has be brought to Civil War, disorder and death. Nothing has been made better, and if the US army does not have the will to finish what it has started, then it should not put its nose into the affairs of anyone else.
Before "democracy" can be created, there must be peace. While I am not a fan of the saying "Arms keep peace" it is too late to do anything else.
And I do not say this only at America, the Israeli war with Lebonon is one of the great autrocities against mankind. The killing of so many, destroying so many lives and resigning millions to poverty! There is no justification for this.
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

I think a few of ya'll need to do your research.
1.) If Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, than how was he able to gas out a tribe of his own people, killing hundreds? Chemical weapons do fall under the catagory of weapons of mass destructions.
2.) Saddam and his sons were oppresors. If you can't admit that than I'm not going to waste any time argueing with you; its stupidity.
3.) Lebonon attacked Isreal, not vice versa. Isreal defended itself and has the right to do such.
4.) George W. Bush is not the only American supporting the world. The demorcratic party, the librals swore to end it. We're still over there. Congress, despite being majority democrat now, still renews the Bush policy of having troops over there every 90 days, and they have not cut off funding for the war.
5.) American involvement in Iraq was a neccesity. After Saddams previous actions (esp. in the Gulf War and against the Kurds) the goverment had all right to be concerned. After 911, we realized that we had enemies who wanted to kill us. Iraq was a haven for them. Thus, we exerted our right to defend ourselves, something decided by the UN many years ago.
6.) If US troops pull out now, without leaving a goverment behind, Iraq could fall easy victem to a military dicator, as it has before. The majority of Iraqs do not want a military dictatorship, to say the least. If we split up the three ethnic groups into their own states or "mini-countries" if you will, then the concern is that they will war with each other for power and land. A UN buffer, or DMZ, would be neccesary to maintain peace. Chances of the UN doing such a thing: 0.
7.) Civil wars happen. In case you didn't know, the US went through one many years ago; hence my avatar. We're a strong country now. Why? Because generally (though less in modern times due to advancement in weaponry) a just goverment will stand and one that the people do not support will stand.
8.) Iraq is a hard country to govern. The people are used to violence and there are enough still around capable of such. The diversity there makes it a vituable firebomb no matter what happens. Elect a sunni president and the shittes get ticked off. Elect a shiite leader and the Kurds get mad. See how it is?

I support the idea of 3 states, one for each denomination, with temporary UN support for the whole thing, as well as a buffer zone between the states. However, the UN is unwilling to step in when they are clearly needed, and the US (having left countries to fall apart before and not wanting to do so again) is still there, trying to keep things together, doing something that is not our job.

I fully support our troops; to not do so is treason. I also fully support the war; something people have a constitutional right to do or do not. We have rights to freedom of speech and though, withing sanity. Despite ACLU attempts to end such, anyway. There were tories (British loyalists, pardon the jargon I'm a history addict) during the revolutionary war and the War of 1812; they are a classic early example of side determined to avoid change. One question though. If countries such as Iran were not providing weapons, ammunition, manpower, and supplies to terrorists groups operating in Iraq, would the civil war be as bad as it is?

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I fully support our troops; to not do so is treason. I also fully support the war; something people have a constitutional right to do or do not. We have rights to freedom of speech and though, withing sanity. Despite ACLU attempts to end such, anyway. There were tories (British loyalists, pardon the jargon I'm a history addict) during the revolutionary war and the War of 1812; they are a classic early example of side determined to avoid change. One question though. If countries such as Iran were not providing weapons, ammunition, manpower, and supplies to terrorists groups operating in Iraq, would the civil war be as bad as it is?
Two questions

1. If we have a constitutional right to free speech and thought, then how is it treason not to support the troops in Iraq?
2. How exactly does the ACLU try to abridge free speech and thought?
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You would continually justify the violation of the freedoms and rights of countless people in the name of self-defense? How long will you do this for? Until there is no one left but the great US? Until the entirety of mankind resides within your borders? You kill civilians and call it self defense. You allow others to kill civilians in the name of self defence. You claim to fight for freedom and for liberty, but it has been a long time since this was the case. How many cultures must you destroy? How many people must you kill before you realize you folly?
You, the so called leader of the free world. Nothing but a despot. But it will not last, your time is done. You sink into oblivion and you don't even realise it.
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1. If we have a constitutional right to free speech and thought, then how is it treason not to support the troops in Iraq?
2. How exactly does the ACLU try to abridge free speech and thought?

Umm, my thoughts exactly. lol
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

i personally am all for the wars in Iraq and afghanistan, sure many lives have been shatered and there is still a constant call for troos overseas, we are helping to unopress a nation, and until we believe that thei military is capale of handling themselves i feel that we need an active presence over there (we being the coalition) i fail to see why people are opposed to the war, sure people die, but people must die to acheive anything.
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I think a few of ya'll need to do your research.
1.) If Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, than how was he able to gas out a tribe of his own people, killing hundreds? Chemical weapons do fall under the catagory of weapons of mass destructions.
The chemicals were provided by US, UK, West Germany and France. Please look up facts before you jump to childish conclusions.
Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And please check US relationship with Iraq during the incident. Regan was aide to this crime.
U.S. Diplomatic and Commercial Relationships with Iraq, 1980 - 2 August 1990

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2.) Saddam and his sons were oppresors. If you can't admit that than I'm not going to waste any time argueing with you; its stupidity.
No more than George Bush or Ronald Reagan. You better stop arguing, then maybe people wouldn't know you are stupid.

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3.) Lebonon attacked Isreal, not vice versa. Isreal defended itself and has the right to do such.
Lebanon did not attack Isreal or any country for that matter. Please get your facts right and learn to check news.

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4.) George W. Bush is not the only American supporting the world.
George Bush is promoting his agenda, not supporting anything, forget the world. What makes you think he is protecting the world?

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5.) American involvement in Iraq was a neccesity. After Saddams previous actions (esp. in the Gulf War and against the Kurds) the goverment had all right to be concerned.
So does every government in the world like Vietnam, North Korea, Iran, Egypt, China, Greece, Venezuela, Japan and Cuba who have faced worse from US. They should all be concerned and if what you say is logical then it is fine we nuke US...thats our national security.

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After 911, we realized that we had enemies who wanted to kill us. Iraq was a haven for them. Thus, we exerted our right to defend ourselves, something decided by the UN many years ago.
There was no proof Iraq harboured enemies and it has been proved Iraq had no links to Al Qaeda.

FuturenavyMan, would you mind if China nukes your city along with the rest of US in self defence?
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

Lebanon did not start the war, Israel was not acting to defend itsself from Lebanon. A terrorist group that resided inside the country had kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. When Israel tried to retrieve them, they lost 5 move and a number of civilians and soldiers were injured.
Israel then proceeded to blockade Lebanon and began to bomb its residential and industrial areas in an attempt to force the terrorists out. Needless to say, this was one of the worst strategies ever to be employed in a conflict. Not only did Israel not remove the terrorists, it killed hundreds of civilians, displaced close to a million, destroyed billions of dollars worth of property and set Lebanon back decades.
Such a war cannot be justified. It was foolish of them to think this tactic would work, especially because of the political climate and cultural tensions. But pig-headedness always seems to win out in such self-righteous governments.
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Re: How Do You Feel About The War???

last time i checked the al-queda training camps are in saudia arabia not iraq so whats wrong with this picture? any way im against the war but i mean now that were in it we cant just pull out like that, so we must try to bring the troops home witht the appropriate military operations so less people are killed. Not to say the goverment is doing that. but w/e its useless to argue on something that the government wont change unless george W decides its ok. Thanks
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2. How exactly does the ACLU try to abridge free speech and thought?
Don't bother about him, godless_musician. His comments are a proof unto themselves that he is very uninformed about any history or constitution except his narrow outlook. He has already made pretty many mistakes in US history and constitution itself. World history, politics or constitution is miles away probably alien concept to him except his narrow opinions. Last time I checked he tried a personal insult when he found himself logically challenged in a forum discussion - tells tons about the crap which fill America.

Frankly if there is any country which really deserves a regime change it is Saudi Arabia. But then US Administration is hands in gloves, evident from the scathing comments Prince Abdullah tends to make against questioning of its horrendous human rights record. Iraq is a country with 10000 year old civilisation and one of the earliest nations with a democratic set up (millenia before US did). And now they have an aggressor forcing democracy down their throats.

If there are more people like Eisenhower, Bush and Reagan there is no wonder why the world is in such a race for nuclear weapons. Ultimately nukes are the final insurance against US agression. Changes in US attitude towards China, USSR, India and North Korea after they went nuclear is an important indicator. What is going to happen in Iraq is the resistance will get worse and more worse till it comes to a tipping point. Then US