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05-17-2007, 07:45 AM
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The Israeli Situation
While I am no anti-semite, I hold that the creation of Israel was a mistake. In the attempt to creat a homeland for a people that have been scattered for centuries, many millions have been made refugees and thousands killed in the conflicts that resulted. It was very foolish to displace millions of natives, who had lived their long before the idea of modern Israel was though up. The following conflicts have also caused huge losses of life and at times very uncivilized conduct by both the Islam nations and Israel, particularly the 6 day war and the Lebanon war.
It was not justified to claim a portion of land for a certain people just because they may have, at one point in history, lived there. They left. Other people had called the land home for hundreds of years. And they were still living there when the Zionists decided to move in. While I in no way condone the suffering of the Jews, it seems very stupid for them to begin abusing others.
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05-21-2007, 12:34 PM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
The Isreali game is a dirty one played by greedy and agressive Isreal-US polticians on one side and the fanatic Arab jealots on the other while the civilians are the victims who take up arms for their cause.
Bad bad game, the rest of the world just watches as their fellow human beings get bombed, shot and made homeless.
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Congratulations to people who did it. A small act of poetic justice for the 11 million men, women and children killed by Americans.
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05-21-2007, 04:59 PM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
Well, I'm lebanese and I lived through the war, and I know the suffering that not many of you know!But, I was lucky!Many people in south Lebanon were displaced, and many were killed, and thousands of children were left in shock, while bombs are killing their loved ones!I was certainly lucky!
I admit that Hizbollah started the war by kidnapping TWO SOLDIERS, but israel didn't have the right to do this to us, to lebanon..Lebanon is a wonderful country, but was seriously damaged by Israel, and all we can do is thank those country who helped us in Paris 3, to reduce the damages, especially France and Saudi Arabia..
and as my friend Neo said, It is a dirty game..
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05-22-2007, 04:30 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
Isreal defended herself (countries are commonly described in female terms, I want to say that before someone makes a weak attempt to insult my intelligence) against an act of aggression. The goverment of Lebanon and Hezbollah brought that on themselves. What we have here is a goverment so focused on going after Isreal that it would put itself at risk of destruction.
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05-22-2007, 10:14 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
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That is the stupidiest thing I have come across for years along with your other stupid remark about Stephen Hawking being an American. Maybe you don't really have any intelligence after all, no one is here out to get you. It in only internet, don't take it as real life. If you talk like an idiot, people will see you as an idiot.
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The goverment of Lebanon and Hezbollah brought that on themselves. What we have here is a goverment so focused on going after Isreal that it would put itself at risk of destruction.
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As far as it is concerned Lebanon which is a progressive and open country has been victimised by both Syria and Isreal for years. Hezbollah are not Labanese, they just hid in there. It does not justify killing thousands of Lebanese civilians and breaking their infrastructure. Your statement is a typical Fox News bullshit and you have no credible source to back it up.
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05-23-2007, 03:46 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
If Israel was interested in defence against terrorism, such defence could have been accomplished by many ways rather than just killing civilians and destroying the infrastructure of another country.
The situation is likely to get worse however. An international peace-keeping force, one not led by the US, may become important in keeping "peace". Lasting resolutions need to be created and if the parties are unwilling to compromise, the civilians of the region must be protected by force, unfortunately. If all fails, perhaps Israel should be dismanteled.
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05-23-2007, 08:26 PM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
Unless the Palestanians are given rehabilation, all of them, not just the Fatah or Hamas politicians, there is no quick fix solution for resolving the Palestine conflict. And the worst thing of all is no one is really willing to take the initiative, after so many unacted UN sanctions against Isreal for breaking Geneva and Human Rights conventions, the world got bored of it. As long as US unashamedly backs Isreal for its racist reasons, there is going to be no conflict resolution.
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05-23-2007, 09:16 PM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
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Isreal defended herself (countries are commonly described in female terms, I want to say that before someone makes a weak attempt to insult my intelligence) against an act of aggression. The goverment of Lebanon and Hezbollah brought that on themselves. What we have here is a goverment so focused on going after Isreal that it would put itself at risk of destruction.
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DON'T TALK ABOUT LEBANON IF U DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT " IT"!!
This governemt u're talking about is against Hizbollah and its PM is with america and if u've seen him kissing condeliza rice on the cheek u'd be convinced:P!!!!
so I'm begging u, if u don't know anything about the situation in lebanon don't talk!!!!!
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05-24-2007, 05:49 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
Like Neo said, the US is very pro-Israle, primarily because Israel is a "democratic" ally of the US in the Middle East. The US populace cannot help falling victim to the US propaganda of how Israel is a saint and all Muslims are vicious, mindless killers.
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Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein
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05-24-2007, 08:20 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
If Americans think all Muslims are terrorists (sorry to note quote you exactly, I wished to simplify things) than how come more and more are being elected to office? By popular vote, even? Please think about what you say before you say it.
Now, America's relationship with Isreal is based on several things. First off, it is a succesful democracy. Second, guilt. Those who make decisions in our country recall the days where jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust were sent back. Many of theese refugees died. Anti-semitism has always been a problem, that is a historical fact. At the end of World War II, an effort was made to make a haven for Jews, something which would reduce chances of events like the Holocaust from ever happening again. Third, Isreal is a major military and intelligence power. Deny this all you want, history would serve to contradict you.
Taking Isreal out of the picture is not possible. What we could do, however, is move it. But do to the temprament of Isrealis in general and the sacredness of the land in general, I doubt her inhabitants would agree with this idea.
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05-24-2007, 08:36 AM
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Guilt? What of it? So what if they feel guilty? You are saying they should not feel guilty for all the people they have forced off of their land? Land which they had inhabited for many generations, despite the Jews being there at some point in the past. The holocaust, no matter how terrible, does not give anyone the right to deny people their land, their freedom or their life. The creation of Israel, and the treatement of the people whos land was taken, land that they had inhabited for generations back, is nothing better than what the Nazis did during World War II.
People cannot claim land they have not inhabited for centuries. They cannot evict people who not only have lived there for generations but may have lived longer on that land than the apparent owners.
Don't speak of sacredness. They did not move there because it was sacred. They were not helped to make a nation there because it was sacred. They were put there to further the ambitions of the US. Af far as I am concerned, Israel is a tool of Western imperialism, nothing more. Its existance, an excuse to gain a foothold in a strategically valiable region. Its people, pawns in politics. And the truth? As always, veiled behind the guise of compassion.
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05-25-2007, 03:02 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
Isreal is an independant nation. She accepts US help, but only to a point. If hadn't heard, an Isreali Navy ship attacked and sunk a US Navy spy ship carrying out survalence on Iran. So Isreal is not the "pawn" you beleive it to be.
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05-25-2007, 06:58 AM
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One ship one time, versus a life-long servitude to western politics. Hardly evidence to the contrary.
It is like pardoning a mass-murderer for not killing one person who happend to be in the general area of the murder.
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The Capitalist maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate. Bertrand Russell
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein
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05-25-2007, 10:39 AM
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Re: The Israeli Situation
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DON'T TALK ABOUT LEBANON IF U DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT "IT"!!
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Don't beg him, H-AuB10.13.29. No one really give credibility to FutureNavyMan08's rants as all he does it make uninformed and idiotic statements.
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First off, it is a succesful democracy.
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How succesful is a democracy when it has been mired in conflicts for five decades? You are blatantly overlooking the obvious.
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Those who make decisions in our country recall the days where jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust were sent back. Many of theese refugees died. Anti-semitism has always been a problem, that is a historical fact. At the end of World War II, an effort was made to make a haven for Jews, something which would reduce chances of events like the Holocaust from ever happening again.
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If it is guilt they acted on it would have been easier to have them as your next door neighbours rather than displacing a million people from their homes so that they can be accomodated in a desert land.
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Third, Isreal is a major military and intelligence power. Deny this all you want, history would serve to contradict you.
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It is neither a major military or intelligence power. It is able to bully only defenceless nations and Mossad takes it intelligence inputs and training from India's RAW. Can Isreal imagine taking on Britain, France, Russia, China, India or even Pakistan for that matter? Isreal is nothing but a troublesome kid on the block and it survives only because of US patronage.
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