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11-07-2009, 11:11 AM
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Name: Steven Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,375
Money: 23,022 Last Online: Yesterday 03:46 PM My Mood: | T-Shirt With Swastika On It If any of you don't know (I don't think I've said much concerning Obama around here), I'm extremely against President Obama. I've been shopping around for T-Shirts to express my views (I proudly own a Joker Socialism shirt) and I came across this: Obama White T-Shirt - CafePress
I'm pretty much in love with this shirt. I almost bought the thing then was like, "Oh shit, that's a swastika." I'm still in high school, and it says in our "pride book" that insignias and logos of racist groups and movements are strictly forbidden. However, the swastika is not in and of itself a depiction of racism or showing support for the Nazi party.
I have no problem defending myself against that, as before WWII no one in the Western world had a problem with the swastika - in fact, it was used as a logo for sports teams, etc. Shit gets gritty, however, because Hitler is obviously in the mix.
So my question is: am I promoting, encouraging, or otherwise agreeing with racism by wearing that shirt to school? If not, how could I make a case for myself?
Please note that I want a serious discussion here. |
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11-07-2009, 11:15 AM
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Name: Erin Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 3,109
Money: 14,678 Last Online: 12-04-2009 09:33 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It Well, if you want to get labeled a Nazi go ahead and wear it.
And you'll probably lose some respect from some people.
BTW - there's a difference between a Nazi swastika and Hindu swastika.
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11-07-2009, 11:26 AM
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Gender: Male Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 317
Money: -1,986 Last Online: 11-08-2009 10:40 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It Go ahead but don't be surprised if you get jumped. |
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11-07-2009, 11:44 AM
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Gender: Male Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: australia Posts: 1,829
Money: 11,203 Last Online: 03-20-2010 11:51 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It why are you against obama |
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11-07-2009, 11:48 AM
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Name: Steven Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,375
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Originally Posted by mario_128 why are you against obama | Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven So my question is: am I promoting, encouraging, or otherwise agreeing with racism by wearing that shirt to school? If not, how could I make a case for myself? | Let's not anger all the democrats now. |
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11-07-2009, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mario_128 why are you against obama | He works for the same people as Bush and every other president since at least Kennedy. If you were against Bush but for Obama your a complete hypocrite its been almost a year and Obama has done all the same things Bush has so much for change. |
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11-07-2009, 01:19 PM
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Name: |\/| /-\ }{ Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Germany, Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 2,115
Money: 16,744 Last Online: 03-07-2010 09:28 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It i think its not huge problem... like there is more images than just the swastika and it is showing relation between two things, not promoting nazi... so i think it isnt a huge problem or offensive.
but maybe it could offend differnt ppl. I am pure blood Polish, the race hitler wanted to delete from the world and i live in germany so i am probly in the worst position to be offended and seeing it does not offend me, so i think it isnt a big deal... unless u wear it like every single day then ppl might be weird about it.. :/
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11-07-2009, 01:31 PM
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Name: The Peacebringer Gender: Unsure Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 3,298
Money: 8,577 | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It Freedom of expression, brother.
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11-07-2009, 02:09 PM
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Name: Steven Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,375
Money: 23,022 Last Online: Yesterday 03:46 PM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It I haven't gotten very much feedback on this.  I was hoping to make up my mind tonight.
Anyway, a couple hours of research later and I'm here with a pretty solid argument. Basically, the swastika does not represent anything other than the Nazi Party. The Nazi Party was about putting the Germans in a position of higher power. Hitler was not anti-Jewish, but merely pro-German. Therefor, the swastika is merely a symbol of German pride. Isn't the American flag a symbol of American pride? Why would there be a problem with wearing a swastika to school when in every room hangs an American flag? |
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11-07-2009, 06:00 PM
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Name: You.dont.want.to.know. Gender: Male Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In a forest Posts: 382
Money: 468 Last Online: 11-14-2009 11:24 PM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It T-shirt with ONLY swastika would be 100 times better. |
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11-07-2009, 06:45 PM
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Name: Derek Gender: Male Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,392
Money: 6,935 Last Online: 03-06-2010 10:44 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It The fact that Hitler's picture, as well as the Nazi flag, makes it impossible to ignore its racist intentions.
In any case, if what the shirt said was true, then practically every president in the world can be related to Hitler.
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11-07-2009, 10:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66
Money: 547 Last Online: 11-30-2009 10:23 PM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It Eh, I may be a Democrat, but you have the right to wear it. You might get some insults and a lot of people will call it offensive, and quite frankly, I think it is, but I don't think much bad can come out of it. |
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11-07-2009, 10:45 PM
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Name: Erin Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 3,109
Money: 14,678 Last Online: 12-04-2009 09:33 AM My Mood: | Re: T-Shirt With Swastika On It Hitler wasn't anti-Jewish ?? This is... news to me.
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11-07-2009, 11:13 PM
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Name: Lucas Gender: Male Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: RS, Brazil Posts: 2,030
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Originally Posted by Aannddyy Freedom of expression, brother. | True, but We all know that public school admins and staff are assholes
The first amendment works well, unless of course it could cause endanger to the public, etc... Which because of idiotic people, can. And highschool is full of idiotic people, so...
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11-08-2009, 03:17 AM
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