Education Differences Based On Country

Ari Gold · 10-07-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicaddicted

High test scores/gpa alone do not a successful education system make.

As well, if the public were really educated, 64.3% (in 2011) of the federal budget wouldn't have had to go to Welfare payments. If they're educated, there are jobs to be had...obviously, they're not educated enough.

Whoa, did you just say that 64.3% of the United States' budget goes to welfare?

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Whoa, did you just say that 64.3% of the United States' budget goes to welfare?

Let me be specific, 64.3% of the budget that is not otherwise allotted to defense, health care, protection, transportation, pensions, and a few other things. At least, according to my college economics textbook ha.

Which, according to the internet, comes out to 10% of the overall federal spending. Still a large amount though.

Ziggs · 10-07-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicaddicted

High test scores/gpa alone do not a successful education system make.

As well, if the public were really educated, 64.3% (in 2011) of the federal budget wouldn't have had to go to Welfare payments, with one third of Americans receiving payments. If they're educated, there are jobs to be had...obviously, they're not educated enough.

Wrong. The biggest outlay is the department of defense. Social Security is second, and welfare is third.

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggs

Wrong. The biggest outlay is the department of defense. Social Security is second, and welfare is third.

Already fixed, see my last post.

Or, Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go? — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Ari Gold · 10-07-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicaddicted

Let me be specific, 64.3% of the budget that is not otherwise allotted to defense, health care, protection, transportation, pensions, and a few other things. At least, according to my college economics textbook ha.

Which, according to the internet, comes out to 10% of the overall federal spending.

You said besides health care and other things. Do you not consider health care to be part of welfare? If not, then welfare makes up less than 5% of the U.S. total budget. Even then, that's counting lots of different things. In reality, less than 2% of the total budget goes right into people's pockets. Most "welfare" spending is social programs that benefit everyone.

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:12 AM

Then, if it's not a funding issue, explain why the United States education system is ranked so highly but those within it perform so lowly.

As, I'll admit I don't know much on the issue, as I'm just going off something I'm studying at university currently and the textbooks we're using. If anyone has other information I'm open to it. I know even books can be wrong.

Ziggs · 10-07-2012, 08:16 AM

Also, education has nothing to do with welfare. College graduates can still be laid off and receive some sort of welfare.

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:17 AM

The percentage of college graduates who are unemployed is still significantly lower than non-graduates who are unemployed, so there is some correlation.

Ziggs · 10-07-2012, 08:19 AM

So what are you trying to say? Improve our education or remove welfare as an incentive?

Ari Gold · 10-07-2012, 08:20 AM

40% of adults in the United States have graduated from college, as opposed to 30% in the United Kingdom.

Just putting that out there.

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:24 AM

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So what are you trying to say? Improve our education or remove welfare as an incentive?

I am saying that a better educated America would lead to higher employment or more diverse employment, in my opinion.

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40% of adults in the United States have graduated from college, as opposed to 30% in the United Kingdom.

Just putting that out there.

Mkay, I can deal with that as a good argument for American education. You'd think it'd be higher in the UK with the difference in education costs.

Ari Gold · 10-07-2012, 08:25 AM

University actually costs a lot in England. It's only free in Scotland.

Ziggs · 10-07-2012, 08:25 AM

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The percentage of college graduates who are unemployed is still significantly lower than non-graduates who are unemployed, so there is some correlation.

This is a correlation that will always remain. You can't blame the quality of education on this. Blame social stratification. People who are educated will always seek out jobs, and employers will seek them out.

Musicaddicted · 10-07-2012, 08:31 AM

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University actually costs a lot in England. It's only free in Scotland.

Didn't they install an education cap of £9,000 last year in England? For native students that is...international costs a lot more from what I've seen looking at studying abroad for the rest of my degree. I didn't know Scotland provided free education either though.

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This is a correlation that will always remain. You can't blame the quality of education on this. Blame social stratification. People who are smart, will always seek out jobs, and employers will seek them out.

But you aren't only as intelligent as you happen to be when you're born. It's not a genetic trait, at least not entirely. So, with better or more education, couldn't it be argued that the US overall would become a better country?

Ari Gold · 10-07-2012, 08:37 AM

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Didn't they install an education cap of £9,000 last year in England? For native students that is...international costs a lot more from what I've seen looking at studying abroad for the rest of my degree. I didn't know Scotland provided free education either though.

Yeah, there's a cap at £9,000 (around $12,000.) Nearly every university in the UK, as far as I know, charges the maximum. Despite that only 3 or 4 of them are actually worth paying that for. You can get a better education cheaper in the USA.

My tuition is around $9,000 at a university that's ranked above nearly everything in the U.K. There's obvious exceptions, and I concede that the top U.K. universities are cheaper than the top U.S. universities, but let's be honest: most people will never have a shot at those unis anyway.