Fitness

Hann. · Apr 17th 2013, 8:11pm

Ever since I started kickboxing, I'm more interested in exercise and getting my body into good shape. I want to get a toned stomach, sort my triceps out and slim or make my legs look muscular (which they kind of do already).
I've just done like 20 push ups, 20 crunches and about 16 bicycle obliques (I find them hard as I do the ones where you hold both legs up whilst you do it!) and crouches for the legs as well as lateral exercises. Do you think keeping up that exercise would be enough to build muscle considering I do 1-2 hours of intense kickboxing which burns up to 800 calories an hour, every week?

Musicaddicted · Apr 17th 2013, 8:45pm

Generally, if you want to create muscle, you need cardio and weights in conjunction. If they're separate it can be sort like your muscles get too lazy to be trained. So, unless you do your kickboxing around the same time as the other exercises, your muscle gain would be very slow, if at all.

Mark · Apr 17th 2013, 9:35pm

It also depends on what you're eating too, don't eat chips all the time and expect 20 pushups to work like magic :p

Also, pushups is a very broad exercise. What kind of pushups? You said you wanted to work on your triceps so I'd recommend military pushups with your elbows close to your body if you aren't already, those target the triceps much better than standard pushups and also really force you to squeeze your core muscles at the same time (think of holding the plank position while doing pushups, that's essentially what you're doing).

YO_VANILLA · Apr 17th 2013, 9:46pm

Doing body weight exercises will help you tone up, but you won't build very much muscle which is what you want anyway. You should also find more exercises so you can do a full body workout instead not focusing on a few parts.

SeductivePain · Apr 17th 2013, 10:11pm

Hann. wrote:

Ever since I started kickboxing, I'm more interested in exercise and getting my body into good shape. I want to get a toned stomach, sort my triceps out and slim or make my legs look muscular (which they kind of do already).
I've just done like 20 push ups, 20 crunches and about 16 bicycle obliques (I find them hard as I do the ones where you hold both legs up whilst you do it!) and crouches for the legs as well as lateral exercises. Do you think keeping up that exercise would be enough to build muscle considering I do 1-2 hours of intense kickboxing which burns up to 800 calories an hour, every week?

I used to practice mixed martial art's. I started when I was 14 and when I was 14 I was out of shape,no muscle tone and 40 pound's over weight but I went to mixed martial art's and over a course of 2 year's and 3 month's I got my weight down from about 230 pounds down to about 190 pound's I can also now bench press up to 200 pound's which is an achievement for me.

Basically what I am trying to say in my own weird way is I suggest you keep up the kickboxing because you won't get fat and you will get really toned and ripped,it worked for me and I was once a tub of lard now I'm average to above average(lol.) but seriously keep at it I'm pretty sure you get the result's you desire in seemingly no time.

Also in case you were wondering why I'm not still practicing mixed martial art's it is because I have college entrance exam's that I am prepping for. Plus my mother want's me home more often(she worries to much) but anyways I hope this helped

Hann. · Apr 18th 2013, 5:35pm

SeductivePain wrote:

I used to practice mixed martial art's. I started when I was 14 and when I was 14 I was out of shape,no muscle tone and 40 pound's over weight but I went to mixed martial art's and over a course of 2 year's and 3 month's I got my weight down from about 230 pounds down to about 190 pound's I can also now bench press up to 200 pound's which is an achievement for me.

Basically what I am trying to say in my own weird way is I suggest you keep up the kickboxing because you won't get fat and you will get really toned and ripped,it worked for me and I was once a tub of lard now I'm average to above average(lol.) but seriously keep at it I'm pretty sure you get the result's you desire in seemingly no time.

Also in case you were wondering why I'm not still practicing mixed martial art's it is because I have college entrance exam's that I am prepping for. Plus my mother want's me home more often(she worries to much) but anyways I hope this helped

Well I'm hoping to keep up with kickboxing. It's just that I've down about 15 weeks worth or more and I feel like I'm gaining weight. :\ My diet has been a bit all over the place but I think my calorie intake has been around the usual. I know in a couple years of doing kickboxing, I will probably be much fitter than I am but that's a lonnggg time away!

The fitter you are, the easier kick boxing is and you need to be fit and flexible to achieve good moves!

SeductivePain · Apr 18th 2013, 5:45pm

Hann. wrote:

Well I'm hoping to keep up with kickboxing. It's just that I've down about 15 weeks worth or more and I feel like I'm gaining weight. : My diet has been a bit all over the place but I think my calorie intake has been around the usual. I know in a couple years of doing kickboxing, I will probably be much fitter than I am but that's a lonnggg time away! The fitter you are, the easier kick boxing is and you need to be fit and flexible to achieve good moves!

That is true. Kickboxing and martial art's provide what I believe to be amazing result's but it doe's take time to train and practice and for it to really take affect and you are also right the more fit and in shape you are the better the move's you can perform and in my experience the better the move's the more calorie's you will burn for example when I first started mixed martial art's or MMA I was doing push-up's and sit up's as well as lifting weight's but in about six month's I could break thin board's with ease and kick as high as five feat in the air which was an accomplishment for me. So best of luck with your kickboxing!

Also now dieting can be tricky. At first I tried this vegetarian thing but apparently I am borderline hyper glycemic(border line diabetic) so if I didn't have sugar I would pass out or have muscle compulsion's so I tried a mixture of sugar and vegetable's(gross might I add) and that didn't work so then I tried just eating a little everything from every food group in addition to my exercise and without going over 3000 calorie's a day I was able to reach my weight loss goal. Like I said best of luck

Hann. · Apr 18th 2013, 7:40pm

I eat less than 1000 calories a day sometimes. Recently, I think it's been going over that. I have 2-3 meals a day and I very rarely snack on anything in between. I eat a load more when I'm in relationships too; I pick up their eating habits and then it increases my appetite.

But thanks for the help!

Ari Gold · Apr 18th 2013, 7:52pm

Less than 1000 calories a day is extremely unhealthy especially if you're doing physical activity every day haha

Hann. · Apr 18th 2013, 8:46pm

I don't do extreme exercise every day and I have no side effects of eating around 1000 calories a day.

They say it's good for you to eat 1000 calories a day because when you're asleep, instead of digesting food/calories, the same enzymes are used to repair cells.

Anorexics limit themselves to 500 calories a day which is awful. I can have between 800-1200 calories a day depending on my varying appetite. I always think back to when we were in the wild. We would not have 1500 calories a day. It'd be around 200 depending on what we found to eat.

Dexter. · Apr 18th 2013, 8:51pm

Hann. wrote:

I always think back to when we were in the wild. We would not have 1500 calories a day. It'd be around 200 depending on what we found to eat.

No way, you'd have way more calories than people have now.

Mark · Apr 18th 2013, 9:29pm

Hann. wrote:

I don't do extreme exercise every day and I have no side effects of eating around 1000 calories a day. They say it's good for you to eat 1000 calories a day because when you're asleep, instead of digesting food/calories, the same enzymes are used to repair cells.
Anorexics limit themselves to 500 calories a day which is awful. I can have between 800-1200 calories a day depending on my varying appetite. I always think back to when we were in the wild. We would not have 1500 calories a day. It'd be around 200 depending on what we found to eat.

Your body needs calories to survive. Do a quick BMR test on google and see for yourself. Personally it says I roughly use 1500 calories doing nothing but sitting in bed all day. Eat anything less than that and your body will be breaking down stored triglycerides and glycogen to produce glucose so you're body can survive.

So I don't know where you heard that about eating less and it's affects on the body when you're asleep. Because at the moment, your body will be in the post-absorptive state most of the time and not the fed (absorptive) state, and that's not good.

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SeductivePain wrote:

when I first started mixed martial art's or MMA I was doing push-up's and sit up's as well as lifting weight's but in about six month's I could break thin board's with ease and kick as high as five feat in the air which was an accomplishment for me.

If you know anything about martial arts you'd know that breaking anything (boards, bricks, whatever) has nothing to do with how strong you are. those results weren't directly from lifting weights, I hope you know that. It maybe gave you more self-confidence, but that's about it.

And same with kicking that high. Lifting weights wouldn't have achieved that for you. Stretching and "breaking in" those muscles and letting them get used to that kind of behaviour is what really helped. Just so you know.

SeductivePain · Apr 18th 2013, 9:43pm

Best Friend wrote:

If you know anything about martial arts you'd know that breaking anything (boards, bricks, whatever) has nothing to do with how strong you are. those results weren't directly from lifting weights, I hope you know that. It maybe gave you more self-confidence, but that's about it.

And same with kicking that high. Lifting weights wouldn't have achieved that for you. Stretching and "breaking in" those muscles and letting them get used to that kind of behaviour is what really helped. Just so you know.

I am well aware that all breaking board's and brick's did was improve my self confidence. My point is when I first started I couldn't break them but now I can and I feel better knowing that I can,that is all I am saying.

Also I know lifting weight's didn't help my leg muscle's in matter of fact I owe my ability to run,jump and kick to mixture of free running and yoga. But thank you for stating the obvious.

By the way you misspelled behavior ,have a nice day

Scaredycrow · Apr 18th 2013, 9:46pm

Hann. wrote:

I don't do extreme exercise every day and I have no side effects of eating around 1000 calories a day. They say it's good for you to eat 1000 calories a day because when you're asleep, instead of digesting food/calories, the same enzymes are used to repair cells.
Anorexics limit themselves to 500 calories a day which is awful. I can have between 800-1200 calories a day depending on my varying appetite. I always think back to when we were in the wild. We would not have 1500 calories a day. It'd be around 200 depending on what we found to eat.

I think it's normally recommended not to go below 1500-1200 calories a day without medical supervision. Energy aside, it's almost impossible to get enough of the other nutrients you need (like vitamins and minerals).

Also not sure about the sleeping thing - you wouldn't be using the same enzymes for those two different functions, and if you eat 3 normal meals (even 2000 calories a day) you wouldn't be digesting when you're asleep.

Our ancestors would have eaten like 3000+ calories to make up for all the physical activity they did.

Mark · Apr 18th 2013, 9:50pm

SeductivePain wrote:

I am well aware that all breaking board's and brick's did was improve my self confidence. My point is when I first started I couldn't break them but now I can and I feel better knowing that I can,that is all I am saying.

Also I know lifting weight's didn't help my leg muscle's in matter of fact I owe my ability to run,jump and kick to mixture of free running and yoga. But thank you for stating the obvious.

By the way you misspelled behavior ,have a nice day

I wasn't trying to be rude or anything dude, just the way you had the sentence worded it seemed like you thought that lifting weights was the magical trick to breaking boards and kicking higher.

And why are you correcting my grammar? There are a lot more mistakes in your posts, but I don't care to mention little grammatical errors in a site that is predominately teenagers in a casual environment.

I spelled behaviour correctly. Type it into the response box and see for yourself, your claimed version is underlined red (i.e. a mistake) while mine is fully acceptable.

Canadians >

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Scaredycrow wrote:

I think it's normally recommended not to go below 1500-1200 calories a day without medical supervision. Energy aside, it's almost impossible to get enough of the other nutrients you need (like vitamins and minerals).

Also not sure about the sleeping thing - you wouldn't be using the same enzymes for those two different functions, and if you eat 3 normal meals (even 2000 calories a day) you wouldn't be digesting when you're asleep.

Our ancestors would have eaten like 3000+ calories to make up for all the physical activity they did.

The only enzyme from the whole digestive tract that I know of that would maybe help, would be lysozymes, which normally kill bacteria in chyme. But if they didn't have anything to act on, maybe it would help kill other bacteria in the body. But we have leukocytes and plenty of other lysosomes for that.

Otherwise, no other enzymes would do what you claim to have heard (again, that I know of.. and I can name about 20 off the top of my head).

Scaredycrow · Apr 18th 2013, 10:10pm

Best Friend wrote:

The only enzyme from the whole digestive tract that I know of that would maybe help, would be lysozymes, which normally kill bacteria in chyme. But if they didn't have anything to act on, maybe it would help kill other bacteria in the body. But we have leukocytes and plenty of other lysosomes for that.

Otherwise, no other enzymes would do what you claim to have heard (again, that I know of.. and I can name about 20 off the top of my head).

But there's no reason to believe that lysozyme couldn't be synthesized elsewhere in the body - you don't need to be asleep or in a fasted state. Plus, the claim is for cellular repair, not bacterial destruction. :p You're right though, there's really no other enzymes that would make sense.

Since "cell repair" often relates to DNA health, I'm thinking that something got lost in translation and it has to do more with the fact that different cellular pathways can be activated or deactivated depending on whether you're in a fed or fasted state (e.g. they're triggered by insulin). It may have had implications for cellular/DNA health, cancer, and longevity. I learned about that 3 years ago though so can't remember the names of the enzymes or pathways, but also haven't heard much about it since, so maybe the research didn't end up leading anywhere.

SeductivePain · Apr 18th 2013, 10:10pm

Best Friend wrote:

I wasn't trying to be rude or anything dude, just the way you had the sentence worded it seemed like you thought that lifting weights was the magical trick to breaking boards and kicking higher.

And why are you correcting my grammar? There are a lot more mistakes in your posts, but I don't care to mention little grammatical errors in a site that is predominately teenagers in a casual environment.

I spelled behaviour correctly. Type it into the response box and see for yourself, your claimed version is underlined red (i.e. a mistake) while mine is fully acceptable.

First of all I never met lifting weight's was a cure for anything. They can help you build muscle but proper diet and cardio excercise is important. Second my thing has your version of "behaviour" underlined in red meaning it is incorrect but mine is not underlined in red,so maybe my grammatical error's are based upon my computer or this forum itself have faulty software. Third you happened to come off a tad bit on the rude side so based upon the little red line underneath your version of behavior I corrected your grammar. I mean no offense I merely standing by my own opinion which if you hadn't noticed is barely educated.

Mark · Apr 18th 2013, 10:16pm

Scaredycrow wrote:

But there's no reason to believe that lysozyme couldn't be synthesized elsewhere in the body - you don't need to be asleep or in a fasted state. Plus, the claim is for cellular repair, not bacterial destruction. :p You're right though, there's really no other enzymes that would make sense.

Since "cell repair" often relates to DNA health, I'm thinking that something got lost in translation and it has to do more with the fact that different cellular pathways can be activated or deactivated depending on whether you're in a fed or fasted state (e.g. they're triggered by insulin). It may have had implications for cellular/DNA health, cancer, and longevity. I learned about that 3 years ago though so can't remember the names of the enzymes or pathways, but also haven't heard much about it since, so maybe the research didn't end up leading anywhere.

Yeah that seems fair to me. I have an exam on Digestion and a bunch of other human Physiology stuff tomorrow, and I'm sure something like that would have been mentioned by a prof or I would have stumbled upon it during readings if it were actually true :)

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SeductivePain wrote:

First of all I never met lifting weight's was a cure for anything. They can help you build muscle but proper diet and cardio excercise is important. Second my thing has your version of "behaviour" underlined in red meaning it is incorrect but mine is not underlined in red,so maybe my grammatical error's are based upon my computer or this forum itself have faulty software. Third you happened to come off a tad bit on the rude side so based upon the little red line underneath your version of behavior I corrected your grammar. I mean no offense I merely standing by my own opinion which if you hadn't noticed is barely educated.

Oh, I thought you just brought up my spelling of behaviour because you were hating on us Canadians :p

And opinions are fine, and I may have come off as slightly rude (although unintended) so I feel you. My bad

SeductivePain · Apr 18th 2013, 11:27pm

Best Friend wrote:

Oh, I thought you just brought up my spelling of behaviour because you were hating on us Canadians :p

And opinions are fine, and I may have come off as slightly rude (although unintended) so I feel you. My bad

Okay then! I'm glad we sorted all of that out.

Bhenji · Apr 19th 2013, 7:20am

Seductive, what form of MMA did you take? Muay thai I assume right?

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