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03-16-2008, 02:26 PM
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Name: Silviu Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 743
Money: 2,223 Last Online: Today 09:29 AM | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy "You will be responded with at least 7000 warheads carried by 1200 missiles. Less than 30 minutes later there will be no America, just deep glass craters. Russians didn't amass for nothing - the largest nuclear stockpile (17000+), most powerful nuclear warheads (Tsar Bomba), fastest missiles (Topol M), most powerful missiles (Voevoda, known by US as Satan City Killer), largest number of nuclear missiles (3500+), fastest nuclear bomber (Tu-160), most powerful nuclear submarines (Typhoon and Delta), largest MIRV vehicle (Voevoda launch vehicle), most power anti-satellite weapons (S-400), etc. Do you think five missiles stand a chance?" lol what? 7000 warheads carried by 1200 missiles? Each missile carries 5.08 warheads? and why would they launch that many? And since when do ICBMs take less than 30 minutes to travel thousands of miles? As for the rest of the stats, where did you pull them from? theyre all either opinions (ex. "Best nuclear submarine"), or made up. If the U.S.A successfully hit Russia with five of their best nuclear missiles Russia would virtually be gone off the face of the planet. you dont seem to realize how powerful they are. We could launch only five but if we hit first Russia is dead. If they hit first and they hit right, we are dead. It is not a matter of how many missiles you can stockpile.
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03-16-2008, 02:54 PM
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Name: Protector of Mankind Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Yurop Posts: 11,224
Money: 19,707 | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy I assume you're not joking, hence my clarifications below. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle lol what? 7000 warheads carried by 1200 missiles? Each missile carries 5.08 warheads? | At present, every Russian nuclear missile is deployed with at least 3 warheads and 12 warheads at maximum. You seem to be ignorant about MIRVs which has been around for the last 20 years or so but you don't surprise me, you are an American after all. Americans have a tendency to be ignorant about something, yet argue about it to reveal how stupid they are. Not the first time in this case and I am sure it won't be the last. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle and why would they launch that many? | To burn every inch of United States. Although I don't think it will be necessary, 2000 warheads will make Americans history. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle And since when do ICBMs take less than 30 minutes to travel thousands of miles? | Since 1953; when R-7 covered 7000 kms in 55 mins which means over 3000 kms in less than 30 minutes. Today the Topol M (fastest missile on earth) can travel at least 8000 kms in less than 30 minutes. The average time a Russian nuclear missile can strike US is 18 minutes, 24 minutes for the longest path and less than 10 minutes for the shortest. At least 2000 warheads are deployed on 'hair trigger alert' which means they will be launched as the first warning of a US launch. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle If the U.S.A successfully hit Russia with five of their best nuclear missiles Russia would virtually be gone off the face of the planet. | Do the maths before you blurt out stupid opinions kid.  The best US nuclear missiles, Trident D5 carry 4 warheads of 100-250 kilotons each. For 5 missiles, it means 20 warheads of 100-250 kilotons each. The blast and fallout radius of a 100 kt warhead is 5 -12 sq. kilometers which translates to approximately 100 - 240 sq.km. Russia's area is 17075400 sq. km. Now what were you saying?
Even if the US were to empty its entire arsenal of ~6000 strategic warheads on Russia, it can't make Russian 'gone from the planet'. There will be still over half a million square kilometers of Russia that people can take cover in. And thanks to the Soviet Civil Defence infrastructure built for nuclear attacks, Russians will survive a nuclear attack far better than Americans could. Unfortunately McDonalds and Ford warehouses headquarters don't provide much cover from nuclear attacks, only 1000 psi reinforced nuclear-proof chambers do.
Do yourself a favour, learn about blast yields, fallout radius of nuclear warheads and compare them to the area of Russia. If you can't do the maths, get someone who can although I doubt you'd find any American in your vicinty who can do as much maths as I could when I was 10. Perhaps then, you can consider yourself to know 'something' of military value. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle you dont seem to realize how powerful they are. We could launch only five but if we hit first Russia is dead. | Not really. If the entire stockpile of US nukes is emptied, 40% of Russia will still remain. Thats fact which you can prove by simple mathematical calculation. Nuclear weapons are powerful, they are nukes. Did you expect them to bust tanks? Yet they can't take out an entire nation like an ignorant American as yourself think they would. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle It is not a matter of how many missiles you can stockpile. | Actually it is. If you have 1200 missiles deployed all over land, sea and undersea, it gives you a second strike capability. If the US launches an all our strike against Russia, at the end of the day there will be enough missiles left to make sure there are no stupid Americans left like you to cry victory.
If you want to argue about military, do so only after you have been in military. Not if you spend you time playing video games, visiting fast food outlets and doing drugs. Just as an afterthought, do you exist as a person? Or did someone create this account to embarass Americans with the stupid remarks? If you don't want people to call Americans stupid, stop behaving like ignorant and stupid Americans. 
__________________ I never resist temptation because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me.
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03-17-2008, 01:00 AM
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Name: Mayank Gender: Male Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: India Posts: 49,480
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03-17-2008, 04:28 AM
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Name: Silviu Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 743
Money: 2,223 Last Online: Today 09:29 AM | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy Ok so how bout providing some actual proof of any of those statistics? Like that the Topol M really travels that fast?
Here is a link that will provide some non made up info about Russia and the US' nuclear stockpiles.
fas.org/nuke/guide/summary.htm
In the link it says that Russia actually has 14,000 nuclear weapons but only 5,569 are deployable. Whereas the US has 5400 missles, and 4,075 are deployable. It also says that Russia has 1743 warheads for ICBMs. Also, the total number of warheads for russia equal about 5600. So 7000 warheads carried by 1200 missles? I think not. Also, Russia only currently has 6 Topol-M missles. Also, a trident D5 is a sea launched missile, and it is not as good as the best US ICBM which is the LGM 118-A Peacekeeper.
And did it ever occur to you that stereotypes and personal attack are extremely fallacious?
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03-17-2008, 01:22 PM
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Name: Protector of Mankind Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Yurop Posts: 11,224
Money: 19,707 | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle Ok so how bout providing some actual proof of any of those statistics? Like that the Topol M really travels that fast? | Here you go, retardo. The Truth Seeker - The Topol SS 27 is the fastest missile ever
I have the sanity to put a link that isn't associated with American or Russian political circles, way more than we could expect from someone like you. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle Here is a link that will provide some non made up info about Russia and the US' nuclear stockpiles.
fas.org/nuke/guide/summary.htm | Stupidity and Ignorance Alert 4!
Excuse me? Honestly, you think Federation of American Scientists is non made up source? What kind of caved have you been living boy. FAS is considered even among intellectual Americans to be a group of right-wing conservative psuedo-scientists who have absolutely no experience or experitise in military affairs. You might as well give an Al Qaeda source, at least it will have some neutrality in it.
The last time an American put a 'neutral' source was from CIA site about Iraq. Now it is you who puts FAS site as a 'non-made up' source. And then whine and moan when others say 'Americans are idiots'. We didn't choose to make you idiots, you do that efficiently yourself like you did in this topic. Here is one neutral news source about estimation Russia's nuclear stockpiles. Your FAS seems to be pretty off mark, perhaps a symptom of drunken conservatism I suppose? Or maybe they are use half-baked assumptions like you. Russia's nuclear capabilities - Telegraph Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle Also, a trident D5 is a sea launched missile, and it is not as good as the best US ICBM which is the LGM 118-A Peacekeeper. | Stupidity and Ignorance Alert 5! Well, we are living in 2008, not 1999. Your timepiece is slow by 9 years, a 'Made in America' perhaps?
Peacekeeper was a junk compared to R36M Voevoda (SS-18 Satan). Moreover it has been removed from service in favour of SLBM Trident as they found its pretty useless as a credible nuclear defence against Russia. Trident D5 is the only credible first and second strike nuclear missile in US arsenal of present and it can't stand a chance against any 5th generation nuclear missiles like RS-24, R36M or the upcoming Bulava.
Go and do a compare and after you're done, read what provoked the scaredy Americans call for the START II treaties. Well Americans are stupid to think Russia would agree for a treaty when they have nothing to gain from weakening their military capabilities against Americans. Quote:
Originally Posted by Assaultrifle And did it ever occur to you that stereotypes and personal attack are extremely fallacious? | Oh, I'm so sorry but I can't help that people find your stupidity funny and hilarious. If you really wanted to debate in a joke forum, you should have updated your knowledge about what you are arguing about. Instead acting like the typical American idiot and entering an argument without knowing anything about it. That might have saved you a whole lot of embarassment and given you no reason to make whiny complaints like this. I'm a bit curious, is stupidty a genetic trait or an acquired trait of Americans? 
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03-27-2008, 05:38 PM
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Money: -1,618 Last Online: 10-28-2008 10:39 AM | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy rofl nice.. |
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03-28-2008, 10:50 AM
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Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA; India Posts: 27
Money: 49 Last Online: 03-29-2008 04:07 AM | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy American only attacks poor, weak countries who cannot retaliate to unjust use of force. |
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03-28-2008, 10:37 PM
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Gender: Female Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 361
Money: 683 Last Online: 12-11-2008 09:58 PM | Re: A military strategy from an apparent US Navy guy LOL omfg no wonder we're basically losing in Iraq!
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