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  • Re: Pathalogical lier

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    Quote from DeamonD: “Bah I am not being an asshole. But the fact that you claim that I know nothing while claiming that you know what you are talking about. In addition, you say that it is extremely hard to tell what is going on in peoples heads why you claim to manipulate them. It does not work like that. And I never said that you can tell what will happen 100%. I said that predicting a human mind is not "impossible" but NOT being able to predict it is improbable, especially for someone who has…

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    Quote from DeamonD: “*sigh* Look, this coming from a person who claims to manipulate and "foresee" things when he lies.....is again a contradiction within its' self. To predict how a person will react. you need to understand the human mind, to understand the human mind you will need to know how it functions and hence what is inside of it.... I do not claim to know people inside-out, however I have been "around" and I am much better predicting and telling what is inside someone (no, don't ask me …

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    Quote from Kase: “You'll know when you experience it. Which you might. And if you don't, I'll count you very lucky and you can come be my mentor.” Oh? I'm honored. X) You'll be the first person I tell, if my life comes crashing down on me.

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    Quote from Kase: “Are you so confident in yourself? And I really can't think of love as a boomerang, of all things. Unless you take things to the extreme.” Errr, I was referring to the lying. 'Love' was just a nickname I felt like using for you. Haha.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “yhea actually lies can get u out, but they can always come back to bite ur ass. she lied, i belived, then she changed the story, and i bit her in the ass with her lie. its on email too, one of the stupid places to lie because it leaves a trail” She seems, very bad at what she does. xD

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    Quote from DeamonD: “There is your problem right there. You over estimate your abilities. There is always someone better than you, there is always someone who can crack you, and once that happens, all hell will break loose. Being so confident in your self is the worst thing you can do.” People, can never truly know what's inside your mind love. Besides, I don't have a problem.

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    Quote from Kase: “Are you so confident in yourself?” The lies, don't build in so much of a pyramid fashion. If one collapses, the whole thing doesn't fall down. It's easy to pick it all back up. Besides, it's not so much like I'm "stealing money" with my lies or anything. I suppose I am confident in myself, because being the kind of liar I am, I study people 'immensely' and try to understand how their mind works. Body language, speech, morality, thought process, empathy, logic. All of it. I feel…

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    Quote from Kase: “But there'll come a time in the future where you'll lose control of your lying ability, and once that happens everything will spin out of control. If people realize it, it won't bode well for you in a team environment or in the workplace.” It's not as much of a boomerang, as you think love. xP I can only imagine, the people that you all know who do this in real life, must be very bad at what they do.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “i doubt he can just stop whenever, a PL usually lives life this way to the end, its a constant game of sniper on the tower, they run from place to place lieing and cloaking themselves... eaither they mature enough to let go of the habbit, or carry on forever doing it. remember, lies don't get you out of a problem, it just sinks u in deeper and deeper.” Hmmm, I can't agree with you. xP It's just too general to say lies don't get you out of a problem. I also don't think i…

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    Quote from Kase: “The end result is of course, great for you. Also is your desire to free yourself. But it's not so easy to stop being a pathological/compulsive liar, whichever you believe you are. Are you saying that there was absolutely no other way to escape that environment? It would be different if you stopped being one.” Liars, like myself tend to envision situations out of every perspective. My mother, needed me to pay her mortgage, so why would she forfeit me to my father so easily? I th…

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    Quote from Kase: “No offensive remarks intended. I'll agree that sometimes people resort to manipulating others for their own sakes...but all it does is to give them a sense of satisfaction that they can't get otherwise, no? But it'll still be harmful in the long run. The best way is still to deal with things head on instead of escaping to this alternate reality...” Let me put it this way. I was an asset for my mother, to pay her mortgage through my father. However, due to my little habit, I man…

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    Quote from DeamonD: “Pathological Liar A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and fee…

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    Quote from Kase: “Explain "unfit" place. You can't get what you want in real life, so you fabricate an - essentially - fake you to satisfy your curiosities?” I never grew up in a permanent home, and my father didn't want me, so I was forced to move around every couple of months with one of my mothers new boyfriends. I also grew up in a very abusive enviornment, hence all the whip marks on my back. I won't go into detail. My point is, if things are bad enough, you learn to manipulate the people a…

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    Quote from DeamonD: “Then you may not be a PL because you do not lie to make others look up to you, you lie because...you just do. There is another type er....I think it is called a Generic liar. Those lie to see is they can get away with it, etc.” Like I said, I just think the attention part, is a misconception about the equation. We get people to admire us in some way, in order to help manipulate them.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “do you think this habbit will ever go away? like is their any way to change it?” The skill comes out of nessecity, such as growing up in an "unfit" place. Generally, I feel as though PL's think other people can't empathize as well as they can, so they avoid telling them their true feelings. Most sympathy we'll bother representing is usually manufactured, or drawn from another source. As for the part about it going away, I think it depends on the severity, and the circum…

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    Quote from DeamonD: “DAMN IT! Why do I always hold back...I knew there was a reason you were debating so furiously....I knew that there is a chance that you were...........i hate when this happens lol. Let's analyze you: Why do you lie?” Mainly, to change circumstances around me. xP However, I lie on a constant basis to practice my skills. I also have personal agendas, which usually manipulate the direction of my lies, such as I'm a very vengeful person.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “and ur fine with it? what does it feel like, do u feel tense when someone calls u out on a lie? i would like to learn more” I'm very good at what I do. I don't ever really get caught. Even, when situations get dangerous, it's very easy to find ways around them, or if someone does find out, it's usually planned and irrellevant that they do.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “ive recovered, i hope i dont run into her again because she will just do the same thing over and over again. shes a loner at school, always is and always will be, i did feel sorry for her though, but now i only feel sorry because she had a hard childhood not knowing her mom untill now and calling her step mom "mother" because she was told by her father that thats her real mother. yhea and im sorry for talking about it, i dont hold Plism against anyone but her, she was t…

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    I understand, and I'm sorry you feel so used. I hope you and her both recover. Just please, don't throw around the term so loosely, like you could call anyone that. A lot of people on this forum don't understand the motivation, or thought process that happens in a PL's mind, so they will be quick to label and judge. That really aggravates me.

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    Quote from gookiecookie: “not really, ive been reading about it all over the net, and all the symptoms show up on the person ive been relating this to, i never said i was an expert, ive just been explaining what ive learned.” All this talk about diagnosing people is getting on nerves, it's like you don't even take into consideration the details or their feelings. PL's aren't manically evil people, and I doubt 90% of the people talked about on this thread are true PL's.