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View Poll Results: Pro-life or pro-choice? | |
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09-08-2008, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Octoberfest My take on Abortion It's really fucking stupid. Why have unprotected sex, without the urge to have a baby? It really makes no sense to me. Don't kill the baby...I'm pro life, and this is because, if you're wiling to kill a human being, because of a stupid mistake, then you're fucked in the head. First of all, why have unprotected sex? I can see somebody forgetting, but then then they'll learn to live with the consequences. You can't have an abortion, and make the baby pay. The baby didn't do anything wrong, why kill it for your mistake? | You do know that a couple (or non couple) who use condoms and birth control aren't completely derived of accidentally getting the women pregnant, right? |
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09-09-2008, 04:30 AM
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Money: 6,278 My Mood: | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? I don't understand why people think fetuses aren't humans. Just because they're not out of the womb yet doesn't make them something else. And if they aren't human then what are they? |
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09-09-2008, 04:34 AM
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Money: -2,374 My Mood: | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? Pro-choice Becuz If I Knock A Girl Up On Accident She Either Gettin A Abortion Or Givin It Up For Adoption I Wont Be Taking Care A Baby I Dont Want |
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09-09-2008, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by joemoe93 I don't understand why people think fetuses aren't humans. Just because they're not out of the womb yet doesn't make them something else. And if they aren't human then what are they? | What I don't understand is why people don't think french fries are humans. Just because they haven't been digested, converted into sperm, used to fertilize an egg, and then exited the womb yet doesn't make them something else. And if they aren't human then what are they?
Oh, no wait, for most of that process they are just a clump of matter with less self-awareness than a lizard. |
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09-09-2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by catateface What I don't understand is why people don't think french fries are humans. Just because they haven't been digested, converted into sperm, used to fertilize an egg, and then exited the womb yet doesn't make them something else. And if they aren't human then what are they?
Oh, no wait, for most of that process they are just a clump of matter with less self-awareness than a lizard. | Back it up here, there are so many things flawed in your post that it's going to be a challenge figuring out where to begin.
First of all, when you say "converted into sperm," you basically just disproved your entire argument. The French fry must be converted in order to be a part of the sperm, so the original French fry is just a French fry. Secondly, a sperm is only a cell that contains half of a humans 46 chromosomes; the sperm in itself is only a gamete. Anybody who believes that sperm is actually a human is ignorant when it comes to basic biology.
As for being human, a fetus contains 46 chromosomes that are different from its mother and father. The fetus, and even zygote have their own genes, are their own being, and are different from the mother (this being the little detail that renders the entire "it's my body" argument to be a load of crap). By the time most abortions occur, the fetus already has a beating heart, and its specific cells, whether they be epithelial, nerve, cardiac, bone, etc. are beginning to develop. It's a living thing that has human characteristics and is biologically a human. |
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09-10-2008, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by catateface What I don't understand is why people don't think french fries are humans. Just because they haven't been digested, converted into sperm, used to fertilize an egg, and then exited the womb yet doesn't make them something else. And if they aren't human then what are they?
Oh, no wait, for most of that process they are just a clump of matter with less self-awareness than a lizard. | Wow. And to answer your question, french fries are not in fact human. They are french fries! An amazing concept.
And actually the heartbeat starts 22 days from conception, so fetuses aren't just clumps of matter for most of the process.
And also, as far as I know you can't prove that infants are any more self aware than fetuses. The very earliest memories start, I don't know, like around age 2 or 3. Before that, who knows? |
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09-10-2008, 05:52 AM
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Money: -679 | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? i picked pro-choice but i dont think women should have abortions .
i mean i dont think its right, but its still their choice =/ . |
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09-10-2008, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by LuklaAdvocate Back it up here, there are so many things flawed in your post that it's going to be a challenge figuring out where to begin.
First of all, when you say "converted into sperm," you basically just disproved your entire argument. The French fry must be converted in order to be a part of the sperm, so the original French fry is just a French fry. Secondly, a sperm is only a cell that contains half of a humans 46 chromosomes; the sperm in itself is only a gamete. Anybody who believes that sperm is actually a human is ignorant when it comes to basic biology.
As for being human, a fetus contains 46 chromosomes that are different from its mother and father. The fetus, and even zygote have their own genes, are their own being, and are different from the mother (this being the little detail that renders the entire "it's my body" argument to be a load of crap). By the time most abortions occur, the fetus already has a beating heart, and its specific cells, whether they be epithelial, nerve, cardiac, bone, etc. are beginning to develop. It's a living thing that has human characteristics and is biologically a human. | If you think that a newborn baby is consists only of the matter contained within a sperm and an egg you clearly didn't pay attention in sex ed class. Virtually all of the matter composing that baby was added after conception after undergoing a conversion process. What is it before it starts that conversion process? Mostly french fries. Anybody who believes that a fertilized egg is actually a human is ignorant when it comes to basic biology. Also, it takes more than a complex structure and "specific cells" to be considered human. A cow has chromosomes, a beating heart, epithelial cells, bone, etc. But a cow is delicious and not human. Therefore we kill and eat it. And in order for something to be considered "biologically a human" or part of the species homo sapien, it has to be able to breed with other homo sapiens and produce fertile offspring. I would be really freaked out to see an 8 week old fetus do that. |
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09-10-2008, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by joemoe93 Wow. And to answer your question, french fries are not in fact human. They are french fries! An amazing concept.
And actually the heartbeat starts 22 days from conception, so fetuses aren't just clumps of matter for most of the process.
And also, as far as I know you can't prove that infants are any more self aware than fetuses. The very earliest memories start, I don't know, like around age 2 or 3. Before that, who knows? | Wow. And to answer your question, fetuses are not in fact human. They are fetuses! An amazing concept. |
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09-10-2008, 09:28 AM
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Money: -5,170 | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? Wait....Haha.... So.... A homo sapien is, by definition, Quote: |
And in order for something to be considered "biologically a human" or part of the species homo sapien, it has to be able to breed with other homo sapiens and produce fertile offspring.
| A homo sapien is a creature which contains the same DNA format, and 46 chromosomes, like other humans.
And, uhhh... I'm pretty sure there has to be 46 Chromosomes for there to be a Fetus. And, I'm uhhh... pretty sure the DNA is contained within those Chromosomes.
So, ummmm.... I'm PREEETTY sure that it is a human. It is just not developed.
You saying a fetus is not a human, is like saying a baby is not a human because it is underdeveloped. Just because it isn't fully grown doesn't mean it isn't a human... a baby is still a human, just as a fetus is a human. Just because it hasn't grown enough to meet your confused standards doesn't mean it isn't a Human.
And thus, you a hypocritical and make no sense. Because I'm assuming you consider a baby a human.
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09-10-2008, 10:08 AM
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Money: 1,672 My Mood: | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? from a governmental standpoint, i'm pro-choice.
personally, i'm pro-life. |
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09-10-2008, 10:17 AM
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Money: -162 | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? im pro-life with the exception of, of course rape... Since 1 in 4 women will be raped in their lifetime.
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09-10-2008, 10:18 AM
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Money: 148 | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? I am 100% pro-life
Abortion is murder and even if it is just a fetus, the moment you open your legs with out any protection and let the sperm meet the egg, That "thing" or "fetus" or wat ever u wanna call it has a chance at a life and the baby should not be punished for it. I think that if you are responible and adult enough to open the legs and not use protection, then you deserve the kid......But I also think it is really bad for a child to be where they are unwanted which is y i believe in adoption....I mean there are so many people who can not hav kids and people are just aborting them every day
When some one gets raped and end up being pg it can be very hard and believe me I know the pain rape alone causes, but would you really want to add to the pain by punishing an innocent child, it can be put up for adoption where you never have to see the child.
as for life threatening I think it all depends....I mean it all depends on ur religion there I believe every thing happens for a reason and if u have a kid and u die that is wat is ment but I also think it is really hard on a child with out a mother so I am kinda tossed on that and still think its wrong but at the same time that is the only situation that I would think of it as ok.....But no matter what I think abortion is wrong and that people should be more carefull b-cuz life is not something to play with or make and destroy..........
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09-10-2008, 10:21 AM
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Money: -162 | Re: Pro-life or pro-choice? cyndy since that is a girl's name what happens if you are raped and get pregnant sorry to put the statistic out there but like i just said 1 in 4 women in america will be raped.
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Originally Posted by mvp23_08 Pro-choice Becuz If I Knock A Girl Up On Accident She Either Gettin A Abortion Or Givin It Up For Adoption I Wont Be Taking Care A Baby I Dont Want | HELLO!!!!!!! USE PROTECTION,AND IF YOU DUMB ENOUGH NOT TO THEN GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION.....ABORTION IS NOT NECESSARY....sorry bout caps just noticed it was on
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