It's blatantly obvious to me your a 20 ft purple platapys, doesn't mean it's true. And GaGa is an icon because she represents flamboyance, pride, an self acceptance.
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cazoofoo wrote:
It's blatantly obvious to me your a 20 ft purple platapys, doesn't mean it's true. And GaGa is an icon because she represents flamboyance, pride, an self acceptance.
cazoofoo wrote:
It's blatantly obvious to me your a 20 ft purple platapys, doesn't mean it's true. And GaGa is an icon because she represents flamboyance, pride, an self acceptance.
OverlyCreative wrote:
I find it interesting that someone could so blatantly state that GaGa has no talent. Then again, the meaning of "talent" is quite varied from individual to individual. Her singing bleeds with beauty and power, and her creative ability seems to be amazing. I don't want to say that the ability to play the piano so beautifuly is a talent since it is such a common ability these days, but GaGa is very good at this as well. She can create lyrics with such deep meaning that you must actually "think" about what you are hearing to fully comprehend the string of words that are being said to you. And I adore this trait about her music.
Of course anyone can spew random crap into a microphone and put it out there, but the fact that she goes on to actually explain the true meanings of her songs and that her meaning is so interesting makes her such a lovely person. Her music is not like other Pop music out there. It is not just "I wanna fuck you all night long", "Lets go to the club and have some fun!", it is truly different. German in a club song from an American artist? French. Spanish. And she makes it all sounds so lovely. With power, passion and meaining behind it all.
David wrote:
Eh, somewhat, but I go with gay as of late because I lean considerably more towards pp. :awesome:
Tombgeek wrote:
Why would you have pride for being gay? You feel pride for something you strive for, not something that happened accidentally at birth.
MasterMayhem wrote:
Why does a gay icon have to represent flamboyance? Many unheard people of the LGBT community hate the fact that the typical stereotype of a gay man is so flamboyant when not all are like that. A gay icon does not have to be a woman, and certainly doesn't have to be flamboyant. They should be able to represent the gay community in a way that shows that not all people of the LGBT community can be so easily stereotyped, and do it for a selfless reason.
cazoofoo wrote:
So ethnic and deaf pride don't exist?
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Because the gay community is flamboyant. Gay culture itself camp. Go to a gay bar, go to a pride parade. It's pretty damn flaming. No-one's saying all LGBT are fabulous, but damn lot are, and the culture reflects that. Including it's icons. I'm not saying all gay icons have to have rainbows bleeding from their mouths, but it's a common trait.
cazoofoo wrote:
I'm not saying all gay icons have to have rainbows bleeding from their mouths, but it's a common trait.
MasterMayhem wrote:
I'm not sure we're really talking about the same artist here.
Then again, anyone can take a piece of crap and pull some deep, beautiful, psychological meaning out of it.
cazoofoo wrote:
So ethnic and deaf pride don't exist?
cazoofoo wrote:
Because the gay community is flamboyant. Gay culture itself camp. Go to a gay bar, go to a pride parade. It's pretty damn flaming. No-one's saying all LGBT are fabulous, but damn lot are, and the culture reflects that. Including it's icons. I'm not saying all gay icons have to have rainbows bleeding from their mouths, but it's a common trait.
MasterMayhem wrote:
Actually, it's more that the outgoing, outspoken ones are. That doesn't mean all, or even a lot are. The gay community is flamboyant because the loudest ones are obviously going to be the only ones heard. There's a great, vast community of gays who are silent and non-flamboyant.
That being said, someone does not have to be flamboyant to represent the gay community. It's not a dire necessity. If so many think it is, then they should no longer be allowed to complain about stereotypes, especially since they would be the ones instigating them.
cazoofoo wrote:
Why? If someone wants to be like that that's their choice. They're being gay in their own little way, and you can be as gay as you want. They're representing themselves as fabulous, not you.
cazoofoo wrote:
You have a lot of fem-hate going on.
cazoofoo wrote:
And "pride", to a lot means accepting who you are, and not letting anyone take that away from you. Black pride is sticking a middle to finger to racism, gay pride is saying fuck you to homophobia.
Tombgeek wrote:
I'm all for people being themselves. I'm not saying they can't be like that, but they should do it in the privacy of their own home or in a club. Out on public, one should represent themselves in a respectable manner. That's just how I was taught. Hell, I dislike going out in public with my shirt off. To me, it's disrespectful and rude.
Tombgeek wrote:
I don't hate effeminate gays. Unless you didn't know, my best friend is an effeminate gay guy. They can be as effeminate as they want. I don't care. I just dislike the judgemental, oh-you-look-nasty-get-new-shoes type of effeminate gay guys, as well as the people who give the community a bad name. They irritate the living shit out of me.
Tombgeek wrote:
Perhaps. That's debatable. But I still stand by my feelings towards pride. To me, pride is something you work towards. Fighting for rights, from my perspective, doesn't count as being proud. It's literally just fighting for rights that should have been granted in the first place. I accept who I am, but I'm not going to now act as though it's the only part of me. Who I sleep with hardly counts as something worth pride, just as I'm not proud of being Caucasian with ash-blond hair and having a keen interest in computers, Accounting and literature. I'm not ashamed, but I'm not proud.
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Bazinga! wrote:
This is certainly one thing I disagree with. I'm all for people being polite and respectful at all times. What I don't understand however is how an effeminate gay male being them-self, ie dressing somewhat effeminately, acting a bit camp etc. is rude or disrespectful. If these same effeminate gays were actually being disrespectful by insulting others etc then I would have a problem with it.
I think it's a basic right to be able to express oneself as you wish, without fear of condescension, so long as you yourself are not doing the condescending.
Bazinga! wrote:
This here, as i think you've admitted, is stereotyping. Not all effeminate gays will go around and insult people based on their looks etc, just like not all gay guys are effeminate. But to suggest that flamboyant gay men should confine their flamboyance and camp-ness to private places and venues and not outwardly express themselves in public merely because it fuels the homophobic arguments is as bad as those very homophobics saying that all gay guys should act "normal" when in public because they feel uncomfortable.
Bazinga! wrote:
If you're the type of person, be it gay, straight, flamboyant or not, who fights to get these rights by marching in GLBT parades, attending demonstrations (for example protests at Town Hall etc), spread the message on-line etc, I think you have the right to feel proud of your efforts to gain equality. Likewise you should feel proud of yourself for being able to accept yourself as you are and being able to express yourself as you wish because for some this journey to self acceptance is an arduous one.