Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

    • Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

      The other day, in Tinychat, the user Ziggs (aka Dave) brought up something that I think is a pretty important topic of debate: Adolf Hitler.

      He made the point of stating that, while Adolf Hitler did command people under him to do terrible things, there's no evidence he ever committed any murders himself. Therefore, Adolf Hitler cannot truly be considered a mass murderer. He also pointed out that Hitler was a religious man who was very loyal to his wife, and that these aren't traits of a monster. His final point was that Adolf Hitler is a guy who gets an unfair rap and that he really wasn't a truly bad person.

      Do you think this is the case? Was Adolf Hitler a good guy?

      Personally, I think it's pretty obvious that he was a horrible monster. I mean, just because you don't commit a crime yourself doesn't absolve you of crimes you're responsible for. He brainwashed people and then used them to commit heinous acts against the Jews. One of the worst men to ever have lived.

      Discuss.
    • Re: Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

      I don't think he was a monster at all, just an incredibly troubled man.

      After the first world war Germany went to absolute shit, they probably got the worst depression on the planet. They were literally rioting and fighting one an other, it was pretty much hell on earth. Politics were more crucial than ever.

      Then along comes an extremely charismatic man with incredible leadership qualities. This was the man Germany was looking for, to bring them back as a country. Hitler stopped them from blaming themselves by switching the blame to a specific group of people: the jews.

      In a way this could be considered a great act of patriotism for his country; he provided an incredible sense of hope. There was just a cost. And that cost was where he got carried away.

      The Holocaust happened, which is no doubt one of the most horrific things to ever happen. It doesn't really matter what his motivations were at this point because he got so far into his preaching that he came down to these horrifying acts. I think he drove himself into insanity.

      Hitler started off with good intentions, I think. He just lived in a shitty time in a shitty place.
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      Butthurt Burt wrote:

      I don't think he was a monster at all, just an incredibly troubled man.
      I'd disagree with this, just because you can be both at the same time. If you're troubled and you do monstrous acts, you can be a troubled monster. I don't feel as if the two are mutually exclusive, though I think that's a bit subjective.

      After the first world war Germany went to absolute shit, they probably got the worst depression on the planet. They were literally rioting and fighting one an other, it was pretty much hell on earth. Politics were more crucial than ever.

      Then along comes an extremely charismatic man with incredible leadership qualities. This was the man Germany was looking for, to bring them back as a country. Hitler stopped them from blaming themselves by switching the blame to a specific group of people: the jews.

      In a way this could be considered a great act of patriotism for his country; he provided an incredible sense of hope. There was just a cost. And that cost was where he got carried away.

      The Holocaust happened, which is no doubt one of the most horrific things to ever happen. It doesn't really matter what his motivations were at this point because he got so far into his preaching that he came down to these horrifying acts. I think he drove himself into insanity.

      Hitler started off with good intentions, I think. He just lived in a shitty time in a shitty place.

      Hitler definitely wanted world dominance for himself, but I don't think he used the Jews as a scapegoat for the German people. He was a very big Roman Catholic who read the bible pretty much non stop when he was in prison before he took power. I think that's ultimately what fed his hatred of the Jews. It's something he said many times throughout his life, and I have no reason to doubt his real intentions for exterminating the Jews. Just look at Muslims, they've been trying to exterminate the Jews for a thousand years for their religion. :lol:

      Pretty much everything else you said about Hitler is spot on, though. He was the perfect leader for Germany after the economic devastation for them that was World War 1. He was a very likeable man who gave powerful and motivating speeches, and really made the German people get excited again. His economic policies pulled Germany out of debt in almost no time flat, and had them a superpower again less than 20 years after being saddled with the entire debt of a World War.

      Despite being a monster, I'd say Hitler was one of the brightest men and best leaders to have ever lived.
    • Re: Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

      Ari Gold wrote:

      I'd disagree with this, just because you can be both at the same time. If you're troubled and you do monstrous acts, you can be a troubled monster. I don't feel as if the two are mutually exclusive, though I think that's a bit subjective.


      Hitler definitely wanted world dominance for himself, but I don't think he used the Jews as a scapegoat for the German people. He was a very big Roman Catholic who read the bible pretty much non stop when he was in prison before he took power. I think that's ultimately what fed his hatred of the Jews. It's something he said many times throughout his life, and I have no reason to doubt his real intentions for exterminating the Jews. Just look at Muslims, they've been trying to exterminate the Jews for a thousand years for their religion. :lol:

      Pretty much everything else you said about Hitler is spot on, though. He was the perfect leader for Germany after the economic devastation for them that was World War 1. He was a very likeable man who gave powerful and motivating speeches, and really made the German people get excited again. His economic policies pulled Germany out of debt in almost no time flat, and had them a superpower again less than 20 years after being saddled with the entire debt of a World War.

      Despite being a monster, I'd say Hitler was one of the brightest men and best leaders to have ever lived.


      Maybe religion factored into it. Well, it probably did but there's no doubt he also used the jewish extermination to unite Germany against communism. Whether it was fuelled by legitimate hatred or not, it sort of worked in that respect.
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      Hitler was a bad person and all, but he is one of the smartest people of the 20th century. Afterall, he single handedly convinced an entire first world government to LEGALLY grant him absolute power over all military and legislative decisions with a near unanimous vote. And he did this after getting out of prison too LOL
    • Re: Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

      Hitler thought he was strong and all that.
      He was a faggot. Hopefully he's in hell. Even cartoons hate hitler.

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      Hitler thought he was strong and all that.
      He was a faggot. Hopefully he's in hell. Even cartoons hate hitler.
      Who said white people can't rap? Nigga.
    • Re: Was Adolf Hitler really a bad man?

      Ari Gold wrote:

      He made the point of stating that, while Adolf Hitler did command people under him to do terrible things, there's no evidence he ever committed any murders himself. Therefore, Adolf Hitler cannot truly be considered a mass murderer.

      Not directly killing someone doesn't make one any less responsible. That's like saying people that hire a "hitman" for unjustified killing haven't done anything wrong.

      Ari Gold wrote:

      He also pointed out that Hitler was a religious man who was very loyal to his wife, and that these aren't traits of a monster.

      I don't see how some seemingly positive traits can put a glow on genocide, I'm afraid.

      Ari Gold wrote:

      His final point was that Adolf Hitler is a guy who gets an unfair rap and that he really wasn't a truly bad person.

      He's often used as an example of evil, but whether he is evil makes a difference to whether it is an unfair rap.

      Ari Gold wrote:

      Do you think this is the case? Was Adolf Hitler a good guy?

      By today's standards of ethics, yes.

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      laney wrote:

      Hitler was a bad guy. But he was a genius


      He wasn't stupid, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a genius.
      His only key ability was his influence. For everything else (such as propaganda with Goebbels) with other people with useful skills.
      Also, the fact that the German people were out for revenge after The Treaty Of Versailles helped, and the fact that Germany was at possibly it's lowest point ever.
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