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    • Hello,

      My name is Daniel, I'm from Spain (so I'm sorry for any gramatical mistake you could find here; I'm actually studying English by my own) and I just came here because I would like to express my opinion about a 'forbidden' ideology, or rather, a movement, nowadays: the Nationalsocialism.

      We all know, and we even find it obvious, that the History has been always written by the winners. And not only that; winners stay in the power and for this reason, they can also control all the machinery that influenciates, or that helps to influenciate, the public opinion about things.
      Because, let's do a pair of simple reflections; the first one is: what happens if you dare to say in public that you are a Nationalsocialist (NS) follower? You will get most probably kicked out of your group of friends, labelled as a monster by your contacts and pursued by society.
      But what happens if, instead, you say that you are a follower of the hammer and sickle's doctrine, which was used for killing about the triple more of people than NS did? And is it a coincidence that nowadays this ideology is labelled as 'solidary' while the comunists won the WW2, versus Germany?

      Who does know about (really) Hitler's thoughts? It's not about reading the mind of nobody, but to search for the original sources: in the same way you don't judge Karl Marx by reading only references to him coming from persons related to Nationalsocialism, it's the same big error the fact of judging the Nationalsocialism by reading only (or worse, by hearing) references to it coming from comunists or people related to similar movements, or just from ignorants who have converted to theirselves a lie into a truth by hearing them thousands times.

      I would invite you to go to a library and to read the 'Mein Kampf' if it was not for the fact that, if the book is not already forbidden, you would be near of being kicked out from there and labelled with the worst adjectives. But in the other hand, if you look up for 'The Communist Manifesto', you are an "intellectual" and the staff of there would even help you to find it. Fortunately, if you search for it through the Internet and release yourself of the new fascists prejudices inculcated to you since you were a child (like, for example, the fact that you have to allow the ethnocide and the destruction of your culture and your origins by accepting the inmigrant invasion. But, of course, they don't tell it to you in this way, but just using beautiful words, like "no racism" or "we all are brothers". But I wonder until where arrives this fraternity when in a country whose black population is 12%, the 50% of total crimes and rapes are commited by them), and you read it carefully, you will find out the same as the author of 'Mein Kampf' (I avoid to spell his name because the legend says that if nowadays you dare to do it three times in a day, a trapdoor opens under your feet) in his moment: Europe's roots are being slowly destroyed by external interested people. The problem is the same, it only changes the context and some of our current enemies (which most of them, of course, are not introduced to we in this way, but just as negotiators, or, even worse, our comrades. Saudi Arabia is an example of a well-covered Europe's enemy. China is the an other example. But they have money. They doesn't seem like beggars, like Al-Qaeda terrorists. They smile to us. So no problem, right? ;)

      I won't delve here in Hitler's ideology because for that job I earnestly recommend you to read the Mein Kampf, the original source (and to analize carefully every paragraph you read). However, I can advance you that if you try to leave aside some deep prejudices inculcated to you, you will even find crudely logic some facts, like for example that if it woildn't have been because of the massive executions of indian tribes in America (which were clearly inferior than us in all senses: just try to explain why North-America, which descend from Europe, is much evolved rather than South-America, which most of its population doesn't descend from europeans), a lot of advances, or rather, technological and ideological contributions of the world wouldn't came off.

      Yes, it's crude. But would you honestly change the History in order to avoid the English colonizers "ethnic cleansing" 500 years ago? Because if you wouldn't, then you are already supporting another hypothetical ethnic cleansing in, let's say, for example, Africa: another (social, technological and cultural) worthless continent but the richest in natural resources, resources that would be well-used by Europeans for maintaining its own supervivence and its development.
      Again: I'm being crude? Cruel maybe? Can be, but also the Nature is cruel (nobody cares when a lyon starts to eat an alive gazelle: we all just accept that, in the Nature, the strongest is who survives).

      Why should we keep on maintaining Africa "alive" by sending money and food? For dragging out their death throes? Is not that really cruel? Or we are just prolonging their suffering just for cleansing our own conscience? More: what africans really bring to us apart of crimes in our own countries?
      Maybe at this point the most of brainwashed people prefer to avoid these questions and start to scream at me "nazi".
      We talk about years of indoctrination, but I would just recommend to these people to release their learnings (I say 'learnings' because meanwhile they think that their ideas come from nowhere, or maybe from a supposed common sense, they are really consequences of their primarly indoctrinations) and try to start to think for themselves. Forget for a moment your feelings and your inculcated prejudices and just analize the European's ethnological (and, consequently, its social and cultural) situation.

      Our race (another forbidden word by the generalized political correctness) will disappear because of our indolence. But the wors thing is that we are forced to be like this since we are children. Is not that really cruel?

      Yes, races does exist. And we must protect ours. Because we, the Europeans, are really unique.

      Thank you indeed for the patience you had for reading me until here.

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    • I would invite you to go to a library and to read the 'Mein Kampf' if it was not for the fact that, if the book is not already forbidden, you would be near of being kicked out from there and labelled with the worst adjectives.
      Weird. When I checked it out at the library years ago, the librarian complimented me and said that it was a book everybody should have to read. Sounds like Europe sucks.

      Also, you're a douche bag.
    • I don't really care about race, but if it's really something you're concerned about, consider this: much of the population growth in 'developed' (mainly white) countries comes form immigration, not birth rate.

      People who live in poverty have more children, and minorities tend to live in poverty. They also tend to contribute more to the crime rate, presumably because of stereotyping and shitty living conditions, not because their race is inherently more violent. If we had more sustainable ways to help people in these situations (e.g. help people in Africa develop better agriculture, rather than food dumping), these rates would likely go down.

      So really, if you're going to be racist, maybe the best way to protect your own race is to help others instead of fearing them? :confused:
    • Scaredycrow wrote:

      They also tend to contribute more to the crime rate, presumably because of stereotyping and shitty living conditions, not because their race is inherently more violent.

      And the question is: who created those conditions? Why we the Europeans didn't depend of any external help for being the strongest and the most advanced civilization ever?
      Some people would now make reference to "European attacks" to Africa, the slavery, etc., of a few centuries ago. But again: why had we in the past the power and the technology for being capable to do it, and not the others against us?

      I don't think all these facts are just coincidences.

      PD: I see you are from Canada, so should I assume that you descend from Europeans? Anyway, Canada is a great country, in all senses, with a great standard of living and everything. But do you think you would be living in this kind of "paradise" if some centuries ago the Europeans didn't come to America because they had had the mentality of today? I guess no. And probably you wouldn't change your country for, let's say for example, Bolivia, which most of its population descend directly from indian tribes. (And consequently you can compare how have evolved both countries separately.)

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    • Dolacyar wrote:


      PD: I see you are from Canada, so should I assume that you descend from Europeans? Anyway, Canada is a great country, in all senses, with a great standard of living and everything. But do you think you would be living in this kind of "paradise" if some centuries ago the Europeans didn't come to America because they had had the mentality of today? I guess no. And probably you wouldn't change your country for, let's say for example, Bolivia, which most of its population descend directly from indian tribes. (And consequently you can compare how have evolved both countries separately.)

      did you know that Bolivia, and the rest of Latin America was conquered by Spaniards? Did you also know that Spain is in Europe and it's doing pretty shitty? (coincidence? I think not!)

      so let's review. You said North America is only great because it was conquered by the Europeans (British). Following that reasoning, South America is shitty is because it was conquered by Spain. what happened to the so called European Supremacy then?

      in conclusion: your country is to blame for South America being so shitty Dolacyar
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    • Papa Bear wrote:

      did you know that Bolivia, and the rest of Latin America was conquered by Spaniards? Did you also know that Spain is in Europe and it's doing pretty shitty? (coincidence? I think not!)

      so let's review, the reason South America is shitty is because it was conquered by Spain (European country). Had it been conquered by Britain, or France (other European countries) in the past it would've been in a better state.

      in conclusion: your country is to blame for South America being so shitty Dolacyar

      Your whole deduction would be right if it was not for the fact that you are confusing the words "colonize" (which implies to occupate a territory "peacefully", in the sense that you do it by the way of imposing the culture just "being there") with "conquer" (which implies to occupate a territory by the force and "starting for scratch" => killing the main autochtonous population), and you are wrongly assuming that Spain did it the same way as for example UK.

      Yes, Spain killed indigenous, but the magnitude of its genocide can't be compared with the other European countries, mostly because the Spanish Empire itself created later some laws in order to protect the indian tribes of "its" territory.
      During the time races were mixed, the "original" Spanish one almost disappeared, and you can see today which is the final result: a shitty country (just to summarize in a few words): poor, unsafe, violent...

      The best proof of it is just watching at the physical characteristics of the face of a typical south-american person (Bolivia, Perú, Ecuador...) and compare it with a typical Spanish one. If you pay attention, you can see a lot of differences.
      Definitely it's not the same race.
      Now compare the face of any (real) American person from EEUU or Canada ("real" in the sense that they are not blacks => coming from Africa) and compare it with any (real) European person. Can you see any difference? I can't.

      Now you can start again your deduction but this time with the correct premises.

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    • Dolacyar wrote:

      And the question is: who created those conditions? Why we the Europeans didn't depend of any external help for being the strongest and the most advanced civilization ever?
      Some people would now make reference to "European attacks" to Africa, the slavery, etc., of a few centuries ago. But again: why had we in the past the power and the technology for being capable to do it, and not the others against us?

      Racism created those conditions. My point is that other races aren't inherently more violent; social factors play a bigger role in that.

      I'm not a big history buff, but I do know that in Canada, colonization had less to do with Europeans being exceptionally advanced, and more to do with a lack of disease resistance in the aboriginal population. Both groups relied on mutually beneficial relationships before the Europeans screwed everybody over.

      The slave trade was also the result of 'mutually beneficial' trade between Europeans and other Africans. European "power and technology" didn't want to deal with African opposition or diseases that they might not have resistance to.

      Blasted microorganisms! :mad:


      PD: I see you are from Canada, so should I assume that you descend from Europeans? Anyway, Canada is a great country, in all senses, with a great standard of living and everything. But do you think you would be living in this kind of "paradise" if some centuries ago the Europeans didn't come to America because they had had the mentality of today? I guess no. And probably you wouldn't change your country for, let's say for example, Bolivia, which most of its population descend directly from indian tribes. (And consequently you can compare how have evolved both countries separately.)

      We don't need to doom ourselves to repeat history over and over. I can acknowledge and appreciate that I'm privileged, however...
      Did I take part in 'European attacks'? No.
      Can I do anything to change the fact that it happened? No.
      Does our current situation mean that I should support ethnic cleaning in Africa (as implied in your first post)? No.

      We've grown as human beings and have the capacity to predict some of the consequences of our actions, and to hypothesize multiple ways to function optimally. Just because something happened one way in history doesn't make it right.



      I'm also just straight up not as adamant about 'protecting my race', because Canada doesn't have a particularly distinct culture - it's just a mishmash of bastardized versions of different cultures. It's okay bro, cultures change.

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