Miko-chan wrote:
It’s more that they claim to be but haven’t been socially nude outside of very quickly changing in a locker room or maybe went skinny dipping in the dark on a dare when they were 12 and just like to fantasize about nudism and so pretend onlineRyanschmo wrote:
My thoughts are: there's a lot of people on this site who claim to be nudists, but when you get right down to it, you'll find that most people have a much broader definition of nudism/naturism than they should.
Thoughts on nudism
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Miko-chan wrote:
Ryanschmo wrote:
My thoughts are: there's a lot of people on this site who claim to be nudists, but when you get right down to it, you'll find that most people have a much broader definition of nudism/naturism than they should.
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Gabraham247 wrote:
Miko-chan wrote:
Ryanschmo wrote:
My thoughts are: there's a lot of people on this site who claim to be nudists, but when you get right down to it, you'll find that most people have a much broader definition of nudism/naturism than they should.
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Gabraham247 wrote:
Miko-chan wrote:
Ryanschmo wrote:
My thoughts are: there's a lot of people on this site who claim to be nudists, but when you get right down to it, you'll find that most people have a much broader definition of nudism/naturism than they should.
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collin13 wrote:
Not so sure about that. People can identify as anything they want in this day and age. If someone says they are a cat, they they be a cat ... lol ... so if they identify as a nudist, then they are seemingly naked!
But, in a sense, someone could say they feel like a nudist in that they want to wear clothes in fewer situations but either don't have the confidence or the support from like minded people to actually do it. -
collin13 wrote:
Not so sure about that. People can identify as anything they want in this day and age. If someone says they are a cat, they they be a cat ... lol ... so if they identify as a nudist, then they are seemingly naked!
Back to the topic. I guess imo a person isn't a "nudist" unless the person is actively into the nudist lifestyle as often as they can. But I guess if a person who attends a nude resort, or goes to a nude beach once a year wants to call themselves a nudist, they can do what they want, including a person just being naked in their bedroom. -
Meh ... it is what it is. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If someone wants to claim they are a nudist, let them. No sweat off my balls.
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Gabraham247 wrote:
Lol. A lot of people make fun of or get mad at people who identify as something maybe others don't obviously recognize them as (especially old white men do this ... about trans or furries or others stuff people self identify as). These people (Boomers or just plain phobes) think it has to do with our generation. But in a way it's nothing new imo...
But there are also significant differences. People claim that being trans is not real and just a case of being awkward partly because they came from a generation when people, at least normal working people, were expected to "fit the mould" and much less effort was made to help minorities. This would apply not just to trans but to people with ADHD, who would simply considered to be trouble makers. people with learning disabilities who would be branded thick and mostly ignored etc. I would also say it is partly because of a lack of understanding and that comes in two halves:
- Being prepared to tell people what they feel is not real.
- Saying that world is simple enough that if one looks male then he must be male in every respect and likewise with female with no possibility of ambiguity regardless of scientists knowing for some that it is more complicated than that.
But the other examples of the runner and the criminal are interesting. I think society in general takes the view that descriptions like this are time-limited. Certainly with the criminal, at least in the UK convictions only have to be declared on various types of application for a limited period, after which no-one can ask the person to disclose the conviction, with certain exceptions, for example you won't pass a check for working with children if you have previously been convicted of abusing them. But, a former thief can go about his business including applying to jobs etc. and not need to declare the conviction once it is deemed to be "spent".
Professional athletes may reasonably take the same approach as for many other jobs and professions and describe themselves as a retired baseball player or something similar. Then what a retired person did when they were working may continue to have an effect of how they seem things in retirement and they may also expect some of the status of their former employment to stay with them. But, you are right that there will always be the question of what someone feels. If a retired person still feels like a runner or an engineer or whatever then who are we to object. - Being prepared to tell people what they feel is not real.
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Gabraham247 wrote:
collin13 wrote:
Not so sure about that. People can identify as anything they want in this day and age. If someone says they are a cat, they they be a cat ... lol ... so if they identify as a nudist, then they are seemingly naked!
Back to the topic. I guess imo a person isn't a "nudist" unless the person is actively into the nudist lifestyle as often as they can. But I guess if a person who attends a nude resort, or goes to a nude beach once a year wants to call themselves a nudist, they can do what they want, including a person just being naked in their bedroom.
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Sean2001 wrote:
Gabraham247 wrote:
Lol. A lot of people make fun of or get mad at people who identify as something maybe others don't obviously recognize them as (especially old white men do this ... about trans or furries or others stuff people self identify as). These people (Boomers or just plain phobes) think it has to do with our generation. But in a way it's nothing new imo...
But there are also significant differences. People claim that being trans is not real and just a case of being awkward partly because they came from a generation when people, at least normal working people, were expected to "fit the mould" and much less effort was made to help minorities. This would apply not just to trans but to people with ADHD, who would simply considered to be trouble makers. people with learning disabilities who would be branded thick and mostly ignored etc. I would also say it is partly because of a lack of understanding and that comes in two halves:
- Being prepared to tell people what they feel is not real.
- Saying that world is simple enough that if one looks male then he must be male in every respect and likewise with female with no possibility of ambiguity regardless of scientists knowing for some that it is more complicated than that.
But the other examples of the runner and the criminal are interesting. I think society in general takes the view that descriptions like this are time-limited. Certainly with the criminal, at least in the UK convictions only have to be declared on various types of application for a limited period, after which no-one can ask the person to disclose the conviction, with certain exceptions, for example you won't pass a check for working with children if you have previously been convicted of abusing them. But, a former thief can go about his business including applying to jobs etc. and not need to declare the conviction once it is deemed to be "spent".
Professional athletes may reasonably take the same approach as for many other jobs and professions and describe themselves as a retired baseball player or something similar. Then what a retired person did when they were working may continue to have an effect of how they seem things in retirement and they may also expect some of the status of their former employment to stay with them. But, you are right that there will always be the question of what someone feels. If a retired person still feels like a runner or an engineer or whatever then who are we to object.
- Being prepared to tell people what they feel is not real.
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Why all the shit talk on "boomers"? Isn't that half the problem in the world today? Broad generalizations with absolute no merit? This to me is the reason why we have so much division in society (well that and our moron politicians). I think it is dangerous ground to lump an entire generation into a basket and contributes massively to divisiveness.
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collin13 wrote:
Why all the shit talk on "boomers"? Isn't that half the problem in the world today? Broad generalizations with absolute no merit? This to me is the reason why we have so much division in society (well that and our moron politicians). I think it is dangerous ground to lump an entire generation into a basket and contributes massively to divisiveness.
1. The ideas they were exposed to in childhood.
2. Our tendency to be less receptive to new ideas as we age.
On that second point, I think there is some biology behind this. Most mammals learn whatever is not instinctive in a short period of growing up and have stable behaviour for the rest of life, hence the expression "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". Unusually, we have a long childhood with brain development not complete until about 25, over a 1/4 of our lives for many, and continue to learn even after that, but never as fast as we did in early childhood.
On ideas specific to a generation, I remember my grandad telling me about how it was when he was at school, which would have been in the 1940s. Everyone had the same haircut - the short back and sides. Handwriting was with a pen dipped in ink and everyone was taught to write (handwriting, not composition) in one single style - variation was not permitted. Because writing left-handed would draw the hand through wet ink, even those who were left-handed were taught to write with their right hands. School was full of rules and people who broke them were wacked with something like a slipper or a cane, no concessions to ADHD etc.
Then, on LGBTQ, a talented mathematician called Alan Turing had made a really significant contribution to code breaking during WW2, but shortly afterwards was prosecuted for gay sex. He opted for "chemical castration", became depressed and killed himself. His employers probably knew he was gay even during the war but this was kept a secret. So much has changed since then but I have long hair and people from that generation, and no one younger, ask me when I will have my hair cut - the idea of conforming just for the sake of conforming, of wearing the uniform, is still there.
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collin13 wrote:
Why all the shit talk on "boomers"? Isn't that half the problem in the world today? Broad generalizations with absolute no merit? This to me is the reason why we have so much division in society (well that and our moron politicians). I think it is dangerous ground to lump an entire generation into a basket and contributes massively to divisiveness.
I was not trying to lump every boomer into the negative boomer category, just the a-hole ones, so sorry if that's how you perceived it. I'm sure when Boomers call our generation lazy, they don't mean 100% of us. -
Gabraham247 wrote:
collin13 wrote:
Why all the shit talk on "boomers"? Isn't that half the problem in the world today? Broad generalizations with absolute no merit? This to me is the reason why we have so much division in society (well that and our moron politicians). I think it is dangerous ground to lump an entire generation into a basket and contributes massively to divisiveness.
I was not trying to lump every boomer into the negative boomer category, just the a-hole ones, so sorry if that's how you perceived it. I'm sure when Boomers call our generation lazy, they don't mean 100% of us.
We've certainly derailed the initial intent of this thread, but it is what it is. Good discussion quite frankly. -
collin13 wrote:
We've certainly derailed the initial intent of this thread, but it is what it is. Good discussion quite frankly.
Maybe I should ban you both for being boys. Because we know all boys are creeps
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