WAR IN EUROPE

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.
      Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.
      Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.

    • Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.
      Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      You happen to know about our past. wow
      You understood what I was saying between lines is double wow

      We also had fever traitors back then and we started evacuation of civilians a way faster and earlier. Our geographic is and was easier to defend. And we started mobilization early. We had well trained homeguard but armaments we lacked and our main military was underfunded and underequiped. We had to take help where ever we could even if it was Hitler. We were in no position to be picky. We just had to adapt and do our best. We got some help from sweden and some from here and there but not much. Swedes helped us most. Then later on after winterwar we had to ally ourself with nazies.

      Western countries are full of traitors in high places. Some are because of their ideology mainly communists who hate west. Some are because of dollar. West needs cleansing of values.

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      I saw something about it being really hard if not impossible to prosecute Putin for war crimes ;( even if all the evidence was collected it would require a unanimous vote by all the countries of (I'm guessing UN, or who ever conducts it) and that would include Russia (and countries that support like possibly China)

      The prosecution of war crimes during the wars in Yugoslavia were only able to proceed because of regime changes that supported the prosecution

      So unless a Russian government agreed to prosecute. It would appear that no legal action could be taken

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    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.

    • Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      Western countries are full of traitors in high places. Some are because of their ideology mainly communists who hate west. Some are because of dollar. West needs cleansing of values.
      Yes, I tend to agree with you to a lesser point. We have them too in the USA. They are the far-left wing of the Democrat Party. They call themselves Progressives. But, actually, they are Regressive.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
      Yes, Finland did get help from Germany in WW2. That was because no other country in the West, maybe with the exception of Sweden, would help her. The Finns were fighting for their lives and country against a horrible communist dictatorship, Soviet Russia. They took help from wherever they could get it. Yes, they had to dance with the Devil for survival. Hitler was just as evil 80 years ago as Putin is now. However, unlike some of the other nations in Europe under Nazi domination, Finland never sent troops to fight the Allies in Europe or was complicit in the wholesale slaughter of Jews in concentration camps. General Gustaf Mannerheim was no Pierre Laval or Vidkun Quisling. After the war Finland was punished and gave up a large part of Karelia to the USSR. But she remained a free and democratic freedom loving country which she is today.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
      Yes, Finland did get help from Germany in WW2. That was because no other country in the West, maybe with the exception of Sweden, would help her. The Finns were fighting for their lives and country against a horrible communist dictatorship, Soviet Russia. They took help from wherever they could get it. Yes, they had to dance with the Devil for survival. Hitler was just as evil 80 years ago as Putin is now. However, unlike some of the other nations in Europe under Nazi domination, Finland never sent troops to fight the Allies in Europe or was complicit in the wholesale slaughter of Jews in concentration camps. General Gustaf Mannerheim was no Pierre Laval or Vidkun Quisling. After the war Finland was punished and gave up a large part of Karelia to the USSR. But she remained a free and democratic freedom loving country which she is today.
      Well they did fight against the Soviet Union who, although a communist dictatorship, as you say, WERE part of the allies and did as much, if not more, than any other country to defeat the Germans. My general point, though, was that Finland’s role in WW2 wasn’t quite as straightforward or heroic as you initially implied. What I’ve learned from studying history is that things generally aren’t simple or straightforward.

    • HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
      Yes, Finland did get help from Germany in WW2. That was because no other country in the West, maybe with the exception of Sweden, would help her. The Finns were fighting for their lives and country against a horrible communist dictatorship, Soviet Russia. They took help from wherever they could get it. Yes, they had to dance with the Devil for survival. Hitler was just as evil 80 years ago as Putin is now. However, unlike some of the other nations in Europe under Nazi domination, Finland never sent troops to fight the Allies in Europe or was complicit in the wholesale slaughter of Jews in concentration camps. General Gustaf Mannerheim was no Pierre Laval or Vidkun Quisling. After the war Finland was punished and gave up a large part of Karelia to the USSR. But she remained a free and democratic freedom loving country which she is today.
      Well they did fight against the Soviet Union who, although a communist dictatorship, as you say, WERE part of the allies and did as much, if not more, than any other country to defeat the Germans. My general point, though, was that Finland’s role in WW2 wasn’t quite as straightforward or heroic as you initially implied. What I’ve learned from studying history is that things generally aren’t simple or straightforward.
      What you say is well taken that Finland took help from Nazi Germany. But the Finn were attacked by the Soviets in 1940. At that time the Allies were fighting a war against the Axis and couldn't help them. Without repeating myself, the Finn were mainly fighting the Russians without any Allied help. An Allied country (Russia) was attacking them. They had to defend themselves or be overrun and defeated. It was their national survival at stake. When your national survival is at stake you will do anything to survive. You will recall that also in 1940 Great Britain survival was at stake. The Germans had conquered all Western Europe and were on the verge of invading Britain. Winston Churchill asked President Franklin Roosevelt to help him. Remember the USA was officially neutral in 1940. But Roosevelt got our Congress to pass Lent-Lease in order to send the British the supplies and weapons to help them defeat the Germans. It was a quid-pro-quo arrangement where the USA got, in return, leases in the British territories in the western hemisphere for our Navy. I can site other examples if this in history.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
      Yes, Finland did get help from Germany in WW2. That was because no other country in the West, maybe with the exception of Sweden, would help her. The Finns were fighting for their lives and country against a horrible communist dictatorship, Soviet Russia. They took help from wherever they could get it. Yes, they had to dance with the Devil for survival. Hitler was just as evil 80 years ago as Putin is now. However, unlike some of the other nations in Europe under Nazi domination, Finland never sent troops to fight the Allies in Europe or was complicit in the wholesale slaughter of Jews in concentration camps. General Gustaf Mannerheim was no Pierre Laval or Vidkun Quisling. After the war Finland was punished and gave up a large part of Karelia to the USSR. But she remained a free and democratic freedom loving country which she is today.
      Well they did fight against the Soviet Union who, although a communist dictatorship, as you say, WERE part of the allies and did as much, if not more, than any other country to defeat the Germans. My general point, though, was that Finland’s role in WW2 wasn’t quite as straightforward or heroic as you initially implied. What I’ve learned from studying history is that things generally aren’t simple or straightforward.
      What you say is well taken that Finland took help from Nazi Germany. But the Finn were attacked by the Soviets in 1940. At that time the Allies were fighting a war against the Axis and couldn't help them. Without repeating myself, the Finn were mainly fighting the Russians without any Allied help. An Allied country (Russia) was attacking them. They had to defend themselves or be overrun and defeated. It was their national survival at stake. When your national survival is at stake you will do anything to survive. You will recall that also in 1940 Great Britain survival was at stake. The Germans had conquered all Western Europe and were on the verge of invading Britain. Winston Churchill asked President Franklin Roosevelt to help him. Remember the USA was officially neutral in 1940. But Roosevelt got our Congress to pass Lent-Lease in order to send the British the supplies and weapons to help them defeat the Germans. It was a quid-pro-quo arrangement where the USA got, in return, leases in the British territories in the western hemisphere for our Navy. I can site other examples if this in history.
      while the Russians did invade it was under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact an agreement over where Russia and Nazi territory could be defeated. So was in part a Nazi/Soviet invasion, and was only broken when Nazis invaded Russia (with Finish troops involved). So in part Finland was a bargaining chip on both sides

      And not sure US could be neutral in reality when Nazis were targeting their transport ships. I think even before British declared war

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    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      HannahW wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      Snowfox wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn. Retreating Russian forces has turned their fury on innocent civilians by murdering them for no military reasons in the streets of Bucha and other towns. This is definitely war crimes and should be condemned by all civilized countries. Vladimir Putin has to be called to explain why his forces are committing these heinous acts. He and Russia should be condemned by all countries regardless of their politics. Killing of innocent civilians should never be condoned whether it's done for any reason. Russia is waging a war against all humanity and just not Ukraine.

      Glory to Ukraine!
      Sadly one very few country will ever condemn this.Also this is clearly and has always been the "russian way" to do things. Russian mentality is not going to change ever.Most of western countries are Putins friends and lackeys. West have given up on everything.
      Sadly, you are correct. Even in the USA there are those who still are doing business with Putin's Russia because of the almighty BUCK! There is much more that the USA and western world can do to shut down Russia and her economy. We are all a part of those Russian atrocities in Ukraine if we failed in this task and assist Putin in his undeclared war on all humanity. Your country withstood the Russians in 1940 when Stalin tried to conquer all Finland. But you had a valiant leader like Zelenski, Gustaf Mannerheim, who defend Finland from be absorbed by the USSR.
      And then for three years, from 1941 to 1944, fought on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
      Yes, Finland did get help from Germany in WW2. That was because no other country in the West, maybe with the exception of Sweden, would help her. The Finns were fighting for their lives and country against a horrible communist dictatorship, Soviet Russia. They took help from wherever they could get it. Yes, they had to dance with the Devil for survival. Hitler was just as evil 80 years ago as Putin is now. However, unlike some of the other nations in Europe under Nazi domination, Finland never sent troops to fight the Allies in Europe or was complicit in the wholesale slaughter of Jews in concentration camps. General Gustaf Mannerheim was no Pierre Laval or Vidkun Quisling. After the war Finland was punished and gave up a large part of Karelia to the USSR. But she remained a free and democratic freedom loving country which she is today.
      Well they did fight against the Soviet Union who, although a communist dictatorship, as you say, WERE part of the allies and did as much, if not more, than any other country to defeat the Germans. My general point, though, was that Finland’s role in WW2 wasn’t quite as straightforward or heroic as you initially implied. What I’ve learned from studying history is that things generally aren’t simple or straightforward.
      What you say is well taken that Finland took help from Nazi Germany. But the Finn were attacked by the Soviets in 1940. At that time the Allies were fighting a war against the Axis and couldn't help them. Without repeating myself, the Finn were mainly fighting the Russians without any Allied help. An Allied country (Russia) was attacking them. They had to defend themselves or be overrun and defeated. It was their national survival at stake. When your national survival is at stake you will do anything to survive. You will recall that also in 1940 Great Britain survival was at stake. The Germans had conquered all Western Europe and were on the verge of invading Britain. Winston Churchill asked President Franklin Roosevelt to help him. Remember the USA was officially neutral in 1940. But Roosevelt got our Congress to pass Lent-Lease in order to send the British the supplies and weapons to help them defeat the Germans. It was a quid-pro-quo arrangement where the USA got, in return, leases in the British territories in the western hemisphere for our Navy. I can site other examples if this in history.
      Finland took help from and GAVE HELP TO Nazi Germany. Finnish troops assisted in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as was acknowledged in the peace treaties signed at the end of the war. When the Soviet Union invaded Finland it WASN’T an Allied country, in fact it was allied to Nazi Germany, so was essentially an Axis country at the time. You’re right to say that Finland was in a very difficult situation but it’s not true to say that they didn’t receive any support from the allies. Because Russia was allied with Germany at the time, both Britain and France supplied Finland with weapons and aircraft, and even made plans to send a number of troops to fight but were unable to do so because neither Norway or Sweden would allow them to pass through their territory. Things changed drastically after the Nazi invasion of Russia. Britain and the allies switched their support to Russia, and Finland switched theirs to Germany. All of this underlines my point that history is complicated.

    • HannahW
      You have your facts.

      Yes we did allied to Nazies but reasons were not ideological at all. We had lost some territory during winter war 1939-1940 which we wanted to get back. Germans gave us opportunity to do that. We also had intel.... That intel partly from our own sources partly from sweden and from great part from USA told us that what ever we do Soviet Union is not going to let us be in peace. Because of Geopraphical location of Finland we had to agree equipement from where ever we could.

      You also forgot that French and UK help didnt arrive to help us during 1939-1940 it came only when germans allowed it. Our military was on its last legs because of lack of arms munitions and about everything.

      We eventually did send troops to help germans 1500 men all volunteers as pawn or something............. There is no word in english to match for PANTTI.....
      Many of those later joined French foreign Legion cause they asked no questions.

      We anyway refuced to hand out or jewish people to Nazies. And for reason or another they said ok no problem.

      Rememeber "Any port in a storm"

    • BJade wrote:

      And not sure US could be neutral in reality when Nazis were targeting their transport ships. I think even before British declared war
      I do not think anyone was really able to remain neutral. My country issued a formal Declaration of Neutrality, which the Nazis viewed as a surrender, so they promptly violated that Declaration, and invaded/bombed/occupied the country. Neutrality was impossible -and still is impossible- in a world war.

    • mentallychaotic wrote:

      BJade wrote:

      And not sure US could be neutral in reality when Nazis were targeting their transport ships. I think even before British declared war
      I do not think anyone was really able to remain neutral. My country issued a formal Declaration of Neutrality, which the Nazis viewed as a surrender, so they promptly violated that Declaration, and invaded/bombed/occupied the country. Neutrality was impossible -and still is impossible- in a world war.
      Between 1935 and 1939 the United State Congress passed a series of neutrality laws which were intended to prevent the United State becoming involved in any foreign wars. But in March of 1941 the Congress passed the Lend-Lease Act which mostly repealed the neutrality laws which Congress passed in the 1930's. The Lend-Lease law was championed by President Franklin Roosevelt at the behest of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill. That law made it possible for the United State to send supplies and weapons to the Allied who were fighting the Axis Powers in Europe and also to Nationalist China who were fighting Japan in Asia. But nine months after the law was passed the United State became a combatant after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn.
      Glory to Ukraine!

      As if an invasion wasn't sinister enough.
      But I wouldn't glorify Ukraine too much.
      They had a sinister behavior on russia on their own in the past.

      Anyway, I wish them soon newly peace and freedom to come.

      And since I'm already in a sinister mood, i hope they are able to beat the shit out of Putin or at least Putin's troops to a vast extent.

    • nibri wrote:

      D. Falcon_11 wrote:

      The war in Ukraine has taken a sinister turn.
      Glory to Ukraine!
      As if an invasion wasn't sinister enough.
      But I wouldn't glorify Ukraine too much.
      They had a sinister behavior on russia on their own in the past.

      Anyway, I wish them soon newly peace and freedom to come.

      And since I'm already in a sinister mood, i hope they are able to beat the shit out of Putin or at least Putin's troops to a vast extent.
      The bad blood between Ukraine and Russia can be traced to the 1930 when the USSR under Josef Stalin decided to collectivize the farms in the Ukraine SSR. The farmers who were known as "Kulaks" that resisted this collectivization were forced off their farm and sent to Siberia or elsewhere. The collectivization didn't go very well. By 1932 famine set into Ukraine and nearly 4 million Ukrainians died of starvation or were killed when Stalin sent on his "enforcers" to seize farms and the grain that were hidden by the kulaks. Also, Stalin decided to arrest many Ukranian intellectuals and political leaders. He even banned the use of the Ukrainian language in all universities, schools and public places. This period is known as Holodomor.

      The USSR refused to acknowledge that a famine ever existed in Ukraine. But in 2008 the Russian Duma did finally acknowledge that there was a famine in Ukraine from 1932-1933. But the Russian refused to say it was genocide as defined by the UN under Article 2 of the UN Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) stating that there was no historical proof that Stalin had intended to cleanse any cultural or ethnic groups by using famine. But recently 16 countries including the USA, by a Senate resolution passed in 2018, have recognized that a famine (Holodomor) was indeed genocidal.

      If anyone wants to learn more about the famine and Stalin's forced collectivization of the kulaks in Ukraine, you might like to read "Red Famine: Stalin's War On Ukraine" by Anne Applebaum.
      Vivimus Volare, Volamus Vivere,

    • Russia has the second best army in Ukraine. Putin is trying to take over the world by taking all of the places that were part of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. If he succeeds with both, he will probably try to take parts of Kievan Rus. It is the job of Ukraine and NATO to stop this from being our future.

    • nibri wrote:

      As my brother said a few days ago, they have to shift the war behind the border, straight to Moscow.
      Idk if it was a serious claim he made. But I think, he's a bit weird anyway. Because when we watch the news, his eyes often have that same crazy gaze as when he's playing his shooting games.
      I like your bro allready despite never seeing him