Guantanamo Bay

    • Re: Guantanamo Bay

      NYRDrury wrote:

      Gitmo was not holding Al Queda members at that time. Everything I read it wasnt even a prison camp till 2001 after 9-11 after we released people from Hati.

      9-11 has to do with lots of reasons, but Gitmo was not one of them.


      Whether they were Al-Qaeda or if it was technically a prison camp not doesn't matter. It's the idea that they felt their people were being mistreated (and for the most part, were right). They were obviously sick of American soldiers in the Middle-East where they didn't belong, acting like they owned the place. Treating the people there like crap. That's everything Gitmo represents.

      So yes, in the grand scheme of things, it did play a role. Maybe not literally, but figuratively.

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      Acacia Noctis wrote:

      Whether they were Al-Qaeda or if it was technically a prison camp not doesn't matter. It's the idea that they felt their people were being mistreated (and for the most part, were right). They were obviously sick of American soldiers in the Middle-East where they didn't belong, acting like they owned the place. Treating the people there like crap. That's everything Gitmo represents.

      So yes, in the grand scheme of things, it did play a role. Maybe not literally, but figuratively.


      Again your taking the post 2001 view of gitmo and applying it to pre 2001. Yes thats how they look at gitmo now, but before 2001 gitmo was not a prison camp it had nothing to do with it. Bin Laden hatred for the us had everything to do with American involvment in middle eastern affairs and are spear of inflounce.

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      Most Americans think 9-11 happened because Bin Laden had this unwarranted hatred towards America. And that the US had been just minding its business for all those decades and that Al-Qaeda attacked because "they hate freedom" or something similar. :\

      They refuse to believe that it was the US who helped most of the terrorists they're fighting today get into power.

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      Jimbo Jones wrote:

      Haven't you all seen Loose Change?


      THE GOVT DID 9/11


      indirectly yes.
      during the cold war and russias influence in the middle east, america and the west funded terrorist and extremist groups such as al-quidea to cause unrest in the russian occupied areas of the middle east.
      however this backfired at the end of the cold war with all these new nations coming from out of the USSR, and the american occupation of iraq in 1991 made these 70's and 80's american funded organisations turn against america.

      but i have seen loose change, and theres some interesting truths, but not enough serious evidence for me to beleive it.
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      Capt Sasha wrote:



      There is a difference between imprisoning suspects and putting inhuman torture on suspects.


      The side of humanity, which is lost on Americans. It is because of this that Americans are disliked around the world, not because of their "way of life" or whatever your media will have you believe.



      In my eyes, persons who kill or have the mentality to kill other humans with out justification should not be considered human.

      And don't bother to try to justify your view. Killing more than 3000 people in one day and many others both prior to and after to that day is not a humane way of fighting for a cause.
      You say that 11 million people were killed prior to then. Not sure it was that many, but it was during a war. In case you hadn't noticed, people die in war. It's the best, yet worst form of population control.
      However, the deeds carried out by those 20 pussies that day 7 years ago were not acts of war. They were acts of religious evil and hatred.

      Damn, religion really fucked up this world.

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      and in what way is george bushes wars iraq and afganistan not acts of religious evil and hatred?

      george bush admitted that he went to war with iraq and afganistan BECAUSE "GOD" TOLD HIM TO. which puts him on about the same level as those hijakers on 11/9/01, they commited that act becuase they felt they were serving thier religion. george bush served his god by ordering a retaliation.

      religion didnt fuck up the world. the followers did.
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      Brainwiped wrote:

      and in what way is george bushes wars iraq and afganistan not acts of religious evil and hatred?

      george bush admitted that he went to war with iraq and afganistan BECAUSE "GOD" TOLD HIM TO. which puts him on about the same level as those hijakers on 11/9/01, they commited that act becuase they felt they were serving thier religion. george bush served his god by ordering a retaliation.

      religion didnt fuck up the world. the followers did.


      Sorry buddy, but Bush went to war with Afghanistan because the Taliban was harboring Bin Laden there. Not cause "God told him to". While he might have felt God wanted this ect, the reason were in Afghanistan is because of 9-11 and the Taliban, not cause God told him to.