homosexuality: natural or not

    • Re: homosexuality: natural or not

      doolie wrote:

      The context of my definition applies to this whether or not you want to believe it.
      And now the narwhal. They're not unnatural at all since they normally grow only the single horn. I would say that narwhals(and them growing one horn) are natural, don't put words in my mouth. Now if a narwhal deviated from this and say grew no horn or two horns, that would be unnatural.
      Homosexuality is the same type of deviation from nature, it's not normal, it's an anomaly. And now you're going to say that anomalies are part of nature yada yada yada. And yes, anomalies do happen in nature, but that doesn't make them natural. Any deviation from naturality is unnatural.
      Now I'm sure tons of people are going to think I'm homophobic because I think homosexuality is unnatural. Honestly I don't like gay people, but I don't hate them either, they're pretty much a neutral nothingness to me since they don't have any significant impact in my life. Just because homosexuality exists in nature, and has for a long time, doesn't mean it's natural.

      And yes I said I was going to give this thread up, but when someone tries to put words in my mouth I'm going to respond.


      No, that definition is used to explain the term 'natural death' and is used in a different context. Note the quote.

      For example, the word tall has more than one definition -
      1. having a relatively great height; of more than average stature: a tall woman; tall grass


      4. extravagant; difficult to believe: a tall tale.


      Does that mean that all tall people are difficult to believe? No, the second quote is of a different context.

      Not all definitions are applicable in every context.

      If something is not natural, it is man made (caused by man, synthesised). Homosexuality is certainly not this.

      Inbreeding is also "natural," but that doesn't mean it should be an accepted thing. Having sex with thirty of your sisters while in the womb and being born dead is also "natural," but that's neither acceptable nor physically possible for humans!


      You're correct Urchin, but the thread is asking whether or not homosexuality is natural - not whether or not it should be acceptable.

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      Alex_Rosque wrote:

      Males are suppose to breed with females. So on a sexual level i cant see how being homosexual could possibly be intended when you were born.


      It certainly isn't something that's easily understood...nor can we claim to know the reasonings fully at the moment.

      There are various psychological theories, particularly in evolutionary psychology to try and overcome the peculiarities in things like 'homosexuality' or 'altruism' which do not SEEM to promote the successful promotion of their gene pool. However, here's some articles, on the same research (it is not exactly the highest quality research...but this is often the case with psychology):

      Why Gays Don't Go Extinct | LiveScience
      Survival of genetic homosexual traits explained - being-human - 13 October 2004 - New Scientist
      Are Highly Fertile Women More Likely to Have Gay Sons? | Discoblog | Discover Magazine

      Now, basically the research and evidence gathered put forth the idea that there is a link between high fertility in women, and homosexuality in men (in the same family). Essentially...women in the same family as gay men on average have more children, this in effect "makes up" for the loss. Now...IMO this could also link into a particular theory that homosexuality allows more resources to be shared within the families, thus ensuring that the infants 'grow up' properly enough to pass on their genes. As such it DOES promote their own genes, but in a more indirect method. This is also linked to other ideas about bigger families etc.

      But like I said...really...we just do not know. I still propose that it is entirely natural though, due to reasons I have stated I don't know how many times in these forums.
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      nfsmechanic wrote:

      It might not be the number of chromosomes, but the type. Could be like an XXY thing, where a chromosome acts differently.


      XXY? Klinefelter's Syndrome? These give rise to sterile males, not really to do with sexual orientation (especially considering the fact that aneuploidy isn't that common anyway)

      I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the number of sex chromosomes. The only other viable combinations would be XXX (Trisomy X, no real effect), XO (Turner's Syndrome, female, but secondary sexual organs don't develop) and finally XYY (not sure if this has a name or not, all I know is that they normally give rise to tall agressive males).

      There may be others, but not that I'm aware of.
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      Urchins wrote:

      XXY? Klinefelter's Syndrome? These give rise to sterile males, not really to do with sexual orientation (especially considering the fact that aneuploidy isn't that common anyway)

      I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the number of sex chromosomes. The only other viable combinations would be XXX (Trisomy X, no real effect), XO (Turner's Syndrome, female, but secondary sexual organs don't develop) and finally XYY (not sure if this has a name or not, all I know is that they normally give rise to tall agressive males).

      There may be others, but not that I'm aware of.


      Well, it could be possible that the less common forms bring about psychological changes. I mean, it's possible. But other than that I'm completely clueless.
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      What I've been wondering is... if the Bible says to put to death anyone who says anything against the word of God (A bit of an exaggeration -- I mean, instead, prophets and family you feel is turning you away from God), wearing clothing made of 2 kinds of cloth, and... well... I think we can all agree that many rules in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are ridiculous... We realize they are, and we do not practice them.

      So...

      ...

      Why do we pick something we interpret as "homosexuality is a sin" to follow? Why homosexuality?
      She kept lookin' at her watch (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      But I cried the whole time (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      I think she might've been a racist (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      She put a bag on my head (Still counts)
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      Ammon wrote:

      What I've been wondering is... if the Bible says to put to death anyone who says anything against the word of God (A bit of an exaggeration -- I mean, instead, prophets and family you feel is turning you away from God), wearing clothing made of 2 kinds of cloth, and... well... I think we can all agree that many rules in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are ridiculous... We realize they are, and we do not practice them.

      So...

      ...

      Why do we pick something we interpret as "homosexuality is a sin" to follow? Why homosexuality?


      Because it's uncommon and taboo.
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      For your entertainment, and support of homosexuality, I present to you:

      Why can't I own a Canadian?

      Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:


      Dear Dr. Laura:
      Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
      When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


      I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


      I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


      Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?


      I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?


      A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?


      Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


      Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?


      I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


      My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)


      I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.



      Your devoted fan,
      Jim



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    • Re: homosexuality: natural or not

      I think it's natural - homosexuality is caused by an imbalance of hormones in the uterus when the fetus is developing, and causes something (I can't really remember, it's a certain gland or part of the brain or something) to not develop properly or to the right size. So you can't help being homosexual or not.
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      l.a.m.e wrote:

      For your entertainment, and support of homosexuality, I present to you:

      Why can't I own a Canadian?




      hi-5 to hheartstrongg.

      OH, THAT. I love that thing. <3 I haven't read that thing in forever. I forgot all about it.
      She kept lookin' at her watch (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      But I cried the whole time (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      I think she might've been a racist (Doesn't matter; had sex)
      She put a bag on my head (Still counts)
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      Red Roses wrote:

      I think it's natural - homosexuality is caused by an imbalance of hormones in the uterus when the fetus is developing, and causes something (I can't really remember, it's a certain gland or part of the brain or something) to not develop properly or to the right size. So you can't help being homosexual or not.


      They don't know what causes homosexuality actually. There is a part of the brain which controls attractions though; i think homosexuality is linked to that. So yeah it's natural, It's been around as long as heterosexuality, so i think it's NATURAL!
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      I used to think that homosexuality was the sickest thing on earth. although i dont agree with it (being a catholic) i dont think that its natural but maybe its the way that people are raised. Not that the parents will teach children to be homosexual, but they may have just thought that way as they grew up. even though the bible says that gays go to hell, i think that they dont, because they really cant help it and at least ther not going around killing people. I AM IN NO WAY HOMOPHOBIC
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      John195 wrote:

      I used to think that homosexuality was the sickest thing on earth.


      Ok noone cares.

      John195 wrote:

      although i dont agree with it (being a catholic) i dont think that its natural but maybe its the way that people are raised. Not that the parents will teach children to be homosexual, but they may have just thought that way as they grew up.


      How is it influenced by a childs upbringing? If someone is brought up in a REALLY homophobic background would they be gay?

      John195 wrote:

      even though the bible says that gays go to hell, i think that they dont, because they really cant help it and at least ther not going around killing people. I AM IN NO WAY HOMOPHOBIC


      The bible says a lot of things and i bet you haven't followed them all. For example... Have you ever shaved?
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