I'm not gunna get into an already pathetic argument with a weedhead like you.

im circumcised but wonder what its like not to be

:eek: Causes a decrease in sensitivity as most of the nerve endings are contained within the foreskin.

:eek: Circumcision is purely cosmetic which is why no National Medical Organization recommends circumcision.

:eek: Circumcision rates have fallen between 50 - 60% while some parts of the country such as the west coast are as low as 33%.

:eek: 85% of all men in the world are intact.

:eek: A circumcised penis tends to be smaller as the taunt skin does not allow for growth.

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Circumcision is purely cosmetic which is why no National Medical Organization recommends circumcision.

A circumcised penis tends to be smaller as the taunt skin does not allow for growth.

Bullshit. A) Circumcision is used in extreme cases of phimosis and other cases. B) If the skin was taut, erections would either be impossible or unbelievably painful.

How so? Anyone who has done it. They have done it when they came out. Like the first week or so.

It looks better with the skin cut. Like who wants to see a ANT EATER penis. Those are scary!

i think thats kinda subjective really. Ive never had a complaint.

I was circumsized at age 9 for medical reasons.

I don't really care about it. I don't think my girlfriend cares about it either.

I thought it was supposed to be more sensitive cos of the exposed... thing?

^In a fully functioning adult intact penis, the head of the penis can be exposed anyways.

Get your facts straight you anti circumcision fanatics. Then come talk, k?

Lets disprove most of your myths.

Causes a decrease in sensitivity as most of the nerve endings are contained within the foreskin.
Wrong. Heres a quote by AAFP (American Academy of Family Physicians)

"The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. [...] No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."

Another study by Krieger in 2008 lead to a conclusion of

"Adult male circumcision was not associated with sexual dysfunction. Circumcised men reported increased penile sensitivity and enhanced ease of reaching orgasm."

So basically, circumcised men have lowered sensitivity due to their junk rubbing up against their shorts consistantly. Solution - loose fitting clothing. Ive yet to find any studies about this, but i personally believe circumcised wiggers in all their baggy clothing have the most sensitive dicks.

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Circumcision is purely cosmetic which is why no National Medical Organization recommends circumcision.

No. Circumcision is in most cases purely cosmetic which is why no National Medical Organization recommends circumcision for non-medical reasons.

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Circumcision rates have fallen between 50 - 60% while some parts of the country such as the west coast are as low as 33%.

Partially wrong, but this isnt a debate over fashion trends. If it was, I'd resort to true, yet idiotic remarks, like my previous girlfriend who upon seeing my circumcised dick declared she would never touch an uncut again because they had turtlenecks. Anyway, statistics dont necessarily reflect anything id be too concerned about. 9% increase in 30 years (1980 - 2000). Most of the change comes from the 65-80 time periods, which represents more of a cultural change then anything else. My guess? Hippies.
Another note btw is due to the idea it isnt needed, cosmetic cutting is no longer being offered in some states, thus encouraging change in some 16 states. 16/50 states is rougly 1/3. Now obviously population differences in those states may play a part, but regardless, if in recent history 1/3 of the US stopped covering cutting, and it only dropped 9 percent, that reflects a nominal damage recovery on cuttings part.

U.S. Circumcision Statistics

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85% of all men in the world are intact.

Worldwide Circumcision Rates

World health claims thats about 70 percent, and seeing as the unsanitary conditions of many countries, there are likely to be a large number of people who want circumcision but have no place to obtain it.

Circumcision Guide - Indications For Circumcision

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A circumcised penis tends to be smaller as the taunt skin does not allow for growth.

Greek art begs to differ. It does not contain circumcised penis' because they were considered gross at the time due to their bigger appearence. The ideal dick to them was small with a long thin foreskin. Fertility Gods are depicted circumcised... irony?

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now to takle you

"Pros: Can't think of any, except maybe that a cut dink often smells like the hand of someone who's been eating fritos, while an intact penis may have a mild sweet aroma similar to female genitals.

Cons: (100% of the time) loss of half the sensual pleasure receptive nerve endings, loss of the protection from drying and abrasion for the glans and the mucosa just below the glans, loss of the awesome frictionless rolling/gliding action of the slinky tube of slack skin, damage to or loss of the frenulum (the male neurological homologue to the clitoris), ugly scar on the genitals, abnormal appearance.

Risks: (more often than you'd guess) excessively tight skin making erection painful or even curved, bulgy painful jagged truncated vein, skin tags, skin bridges, hairy scrotal skin drawn onto the shaft, pitted gouged glans and adhesions, tight scrotum, mal-aligned scar, infection from healing in soiled diaper, loss of glans, loss of whole penis, limbic imprint leading to low pain tolerance threshhold, death, depression over loss of a body part, depression over not being normal, depression over not knowing what sex was meant to feel like. "

First, uncut dicks smell worse. The "nice" sweet smell is pheramones, which are naturally produced in your genital area. The amount of pheramones doesnt necessarily matter, nor would it change due to being cut. Thus, your smell theory has no backing. Furthermore, theres indication that cut penis' have less smell. Eitherway, your gunna get most smell reduction by trimming your bush, anything else will ahve a marginal change. (Circumcision Guide - Indications For Circumcision) Mucus also builds up around your foreskin, causing more smell then a cut one does.

Already covered loss of sensation, and the drying is far from true enough to ever be a valid claim. Yes its dryer on circumcised guys, but think about this, the area down there is more likely to sweat, due to the nature of its form. Your testicles are hung out in sac's due to the fact sperm prefer a lower tempature then normal body temp. Thus sweat is there to accomidate that, and seeing as nature has not had time to adapt to the fact we wear clothes, were going to produce a lot of sweat due to excess heat. Unlikely that things will get too dry down there that it will become a problem. Support for this claim is here (Circumcision Guide - Indications For Circumcision)

The loss of friction can be seen as a gift actually, as the foreskins removal allows for more growth of the tougher glans increasing the size of the useable penis thus increasing the stimulation. Women should find it feels better (Circumcision Guide - Indications For Circumcision)

Ugly scar.. wrong, and how the hell can it be abnormal if the majority is doing it. Thats like baking burnt cookies and saying unburnt ones are abnormal. Hell no, if the majority of cookies are unburnt, then thats norm. Btw, there isnt scars on cut dicks unless the doctor screwed up. Im all clean. Majority of scars you see on porno's are related to rubbing your wang too much forming a scar"like" ring around the middle of the shaft. Essentially, that is just discoloration that fades away.


I liek your last part. Heres my comments

excessively tight skin making erection painful or even curvedWRONG BUDDY! there is no support for that claim ANYWHERE. Go find me a respected study on that., bulgy painful jagged truncated veinFind a study supporting that or any of the stuff until, skin tags, skin bridges, hairy scrotal skin drawn onto the shaft, pitted gouged glans and adhesions, tight scrotum, mal-aligned scar,Here. infection from healing in soiled diaper, Yet a lower risk of bladder infections. U uncut guys have a 1/100 chance of getting them in infancy, circumcised men have 1/1000 chance. loss of glans, loss of whole penis, Those 2 have little relation after reading my statements above. limbic imprint leading to low pain tolerance threshholdThis is more of a psychological idea, as there is not anymore then one psychologists study to back it. Maybe hes just a radical? Early childhood trama does cause lower pain tolerance, but majority of circumcisions now are done with pain meds, death, depression over loss of a body part, depression over not being normal, depression over not knowing what sex was meant to feel like.Personal opinion - I think it feels better, and heres why.

Girls are statistically more receptive to cut penis' and more are willing to stick em in their mouths compared to uncut.
Cut penis heads have more prominate buldges in ones pants compared to ones with foreskin covering it up.
Circumcision delays orgasm in men, thus allowing more build up, and allowing more orgasms for your girl. Last time I checked, the better it felt for your girl, the better shes gunna respond, and the better she responds, the better it feels for you.
Circumcised penis' again allow for more stimulation need I remind you.
Delayed orgasm also has a intensity build up. Circumcised men in adulthood report their orgams feeling much more intense and lasting longer after the operation.
Circumcised men are 2 - 8 times less likely to contract HIV.

And... "Some studies also show increased protection against genital warts and sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhea and syphilis, and a reduced risk of penile cancer in men and cervical cancer in female partners."

Circumcision rates declining (don't try to use this against me, the title is at first glance deceptive to the argument of the page)
Circumcision Guide - Indications For Circumcision

going on a fact rant and then instantly contradicting yourself makes your post less appealing to read.

Im not a fanatic cause cause im not really 'anti'...im kinda on the fence about it, but i dont really see the point.

But if you are gonna say stuff like 'get your facts straight', then it would be wise not to disprove a point and then use that same point yourself, noone mentioned the cause of the loss of sensitivity, but i believed that point cause i had heard it was caused by friction on clothing.

Heh, sorry I thought that might be a little disorganized. Notice the line itself - First line states that its false that cut guys get less out of sex because of having no foreskin. That is false.
Second line is an F up on my part, so yes flame me all you want on it. I meant more or less that circumcised men get less sensitivity because the foreskin isn't protecting it at all times. Yet, since my post still makes logical sense, ill return a flame -

I stated removing the foreskin had no effect on sex simulation. That is still true. I stated men who are circumcised get less sensitivity due to their junk hitting their shorts. That is also true.
Nerve endings are separate, and thus, removing the foreskin doesn't have an effect on the penis sensitivity, yet normal wear and tear does some damage to a circumcised mans lower "uncovered" area. Now, that same damage is also done to the foreskin, so you cant really argue that it changes sensitivity, it just replaces the area with the damage.

What I had meant to say was, So basically, circumcised men have lowered sensitivity due to their junk rubbing up against their shorts consistantly. However, it is also true for uncut guys, as their area recieves the same stresses.

Let the medical fraternity speak:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]"There is no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision of newborns".[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]American Academy of Pediatrics, Report of the Ad Hoc Task Force on Circumcision, Pediatrics, vol. 56 no. 4, (October 1975)[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]"There are no medical indications for routine male circumcision. It is a traumatic procedure performed without anesthesia to remove a normal, functional and protective prepuce." [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1](Royal Australasian College of Physicians - RACP- ; Australian Association of Paediatric Surgeons, New Zealand Society of Paediatric Surgeons, Urological Society of Australasia, Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, and Paediatric Society of New Zealand) - September 2002[/SIZE][/FONT]

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I'm not circumcised. However my foreskin normally doesn't go over my "head". It's kind of rolled right beneath it. It doesn't look weird or anything by the way.

hehe, theres no flaming going on. Im not flaming you and that sure as hell doesnt seem like a flame to me, but anyway:

I will have to disagree on the sensitivity bit still, cause its sensitivity in the same place thats affected, im not talking about the foreskin's sensitivity, i mean the 'helmet's sensitivty. Sure overall, tight clothing can make the general sensitivity decline, but a guy who has a 'sheath' covering their bellend can tell you that we couldnt just walk about with our foreskin pulled back cause any clothing would feel like sandpaper and when ive done it before *not intentionally of course, but sometimes it just happens* it is seriously nasty and even caused chafing....and for the record this was in my goth days so my clothes were baggy as hell.

I just cannot believe for a second that through day to day life a circumcised penis can be that sensitive otherwise everyone who had it done would be walking round with their legs bowed trying to get as little contact as possible.

Its illogical too, extremely sensitive flesh that is pretty much always covered and hardly comes into contact with anything being as sensitive as that same flesh that is always in contact with fabric (which is pretty abrasive to be fair) as long as that person is wearing underwear.

i wish you could experience what im talking about.

heh i cant quite agree with you on that, but i suppose its a difference that neither of us can prove right or wrong.

In either case, I suppose we need to find someone who has been cut recently and can tell us the before and after story. Anyone here that can fulfill that role?

i dont think many people do get mid life circumcision....i think every guy has a love for his member, and if you ahvent had it done...i guess it just wouldnt feel the same anymore......or would it? haha.

but seriously though, in my experience no way could i handle material rubbing my bellend even brushing gently for a day...it would hurt like fuck.

Heh, im not sure exactly about it losing its sensitivity come to think of it. I play the guitar about an hour a day now, and my fingertips have massive callous' even with that little of playing. Seeing how the daily wank section is about a half hour, wouldnt it make some sense that my cock should be growing some callous'? I wonder if the ladies would like that... rough dick... I know they sure as hell like my fingers.

In my opinion, since there's not *that* much pleasure during sexual stimulation compared to the orgasm, decreased sensitivity is a blessing because it allows for delayed orgasms and thus more pleasure for a partner. Even if there is sensitivity loss, it can't be a whole lot, and not enough to make a difference. (Note: I'm not saying intact men wouldn't notice a difference of before and after if they got circumcised. I'm just saying it can't make that much of an impact.)

It looks exactly the same when erect
I'm cut but it wouldn't bother me if i wasn't