DamnImGood wrote:
Forgive me if I scanned through your posts after you decided to argue about staying awake in English class and writing in college.
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The Guardian wrote:
O.o............... I think someone has forgotten how to read. No, Lincoln along with most of the other presidents since then, had a religious belief in God. This is the first time, the religious belief, has wavered outside.
Oh, yeah, just a little fun fact; He was shot for splitting the Union. (Ie; asking for 75,000 volunteers to go enforce the "law." Otherwise, the war, might have been restricted to that of congress, and fighting in the house.
*KUSH* wrote:
please tell me the difference between a non believer and atheist.
The Guardian wrote:
Thomas Jefferson, as many preachers might say a "Thomas" not as in his name, but rather after the Thomas found in the Bible, who also doubted. A great man no doubt, there are many myths and perceptions about him, without any base other than the opinion, of the individual.
We'll have to see how, Obama, does. As he has admittedly said he is Muslim, (note: I do not hate the dude, only disagree with his actions so far) Just like many others, in poll his approval rating has suck, in a question posed on the internet "What grade would he earn, for his actions so far" 60% said they would give him in F, clearly showing that he is already failing to fill the expectations of thousands. Only 13% would give him an A. We will have to wait and see, what he becomes. As the Senate, Congress, and the presidenacy are all primarily democratic, there is practically nothing to stop them from passing the bills they wish.
We must watch carefully this term, as most likely this might very well be the rise of, or the fall of the democratic party.
*KUSH* wrote:
I cannot post links ATM.
But will show you lincoln was NOT a believer
Do some research Lincoln was not a believer.
And barrack has claimed to christian.
In the Muslim religion that is one thing you can never do.
please tell me the difference between a non believer and atheist.
"Bring on the saw boys, we must execute him! for treason! against the Muslim faith! (A clear exaggeration, to show a point) joe m wrote:
I don't think anyone calls themselves a non-believer do they? I think Obama just used that in in his speech beacause atheist is too sensitive for a president to say. Atheist sounds more anti-religion than non-believer I think.
On whether there will be an atheist president I think certainly yes one day. But I also agree with others who said there already has been. I wouldn't put it past any president to pretend to be christian just to win the election. Undoubtably there have been closet-atheist presidents many times.
dandaitalianman wrote:
Maybe I'll be the first atheist conservative president.
asoiafdude wrote:
Obama has time and time again said he isn't Muslim, so I don't know where you're getting that Guardian.
Also, Lincoln didn't split the Union. It was already long in the process by the time he came into office.
LuklaAdvocate wrote:
Obama never said he was Muslim.
60% of American's did not give him an "F" as a grade. 42% give him an "F," and that only relates to the economy, according to the Wall Street Journal.
TheJoker wrote:
ah jack get ur facts straight please before posting them
joe m wrote:
Wait I'm a bit confused. I havn't bothered to read every detail of the last few pages but Guardian do you really think Obama is Islamic?
The Guardian wrote:
Quotes found said by his, so called pastor, were things such as "God bless America? No, God Fuck America!" This is anything, but what Christianity teaches, as such, it seems to border on the same hate that Islam is built on. So as he clearly is not Christian, what is he?
The Guardian wrote:
Ah, yes the wall street journal, among the most liberal. Now, as you clearly, and most probably, went to the first site you came to you found these results. However farther searching would have revealed a difference among them, liberal sites leaning, toward the A, averaging in the forties. However on most conservative, and republican sites, it leaned toward the F, heavily averaging in the high fifties.
Esmo wrote:
Quotes are not quotes without sources.
YouTube - Obama Pastor: God Damn America
He bring the past into the present, and the present into the future, revealing that hate will continue.
So, anybody got a neutral source?
On the subject of newspapers, I personally am enjoying the irony of you being called 'The Guardian'.
:p (shhh, lets keep it a secret :p) The Guardian wrote:
YouTube - Obama: "My Muslim Faith"
Omg, what is this?! point proven. Yes, only twelve seconds of a full inter-view, if you wish use the related tab to find the full interview.
Ah, yes the wall street journal, among the most liberal. Now, as you clearly, and most probably, went to the first site you came to you found these results. However farther searching would have revealed a difference among them, liberal sites leaning, toward the A, averaging in the forties. However on most conservative, and republican sites, it leaned toward the F, heavily averaging in the high fifties.