Age! Stop the discrimination!

TVizzy · Sep 28th 2009, 11:08pm

alfaspider06 wrote:

First off this is completely wrong, Age is a HUGE factor in maturity, right now you might not realize this but as you age you experience different situations which cause you to mature, some people might mature faster than other depending on what experiences they have had and how early in life they have had them...there are laws based on age because of this fact.

We'll see about this in the following segments.

alfaspider06 wrote:

First, babies come from storks not cranes....lol (but it is storks not cranes fyi), and I am assuming that you are saying kids are maturing because they are having sex at younger ages, I hate to burst your bubble but sexual activity has nothing to do with maturity, just because you are having sex does not mean that you are mature enough to do so ( i am speaking mentally, and emotionally not physically). You may think that you are old enough to have sex but there is a lot to consider, for example what if you get someone (or become, i didn't read if you were a boy or girl) pregant, do you have any idea how to prepare for that, what if you get an STD are you mature enough to admit that you had unprotected sex and got HIV? Just becaue you were watching porn at 7 and masturbating does not mean you have the mental or emotional maturity to handle life changing events like having a baby.

I do not plan to catch any STD or get anybody pregnant. Condoms and birth control will solve these issues 99% of the time. If some freak accident happens, than hey, shit happens, but living your life in fear of the unlikely seems silly to me. No, of course I don't have the maturity to have a baby (would you at 16? ~_-), but I do have the maturity to prevent such an event from ever occurring. If I were to have unprotected sex than fuck, that shits on me, but it'd be due to irresponsibility, which, again, has nothing to do with age.

Again you are only assuming that maturity is only a physcall feature, which it is not. You may physically look like an adult but emotionally and mentaly you are not!

I never assumed as such. That was one facet out of three I mentioned, I believe.

My assumption that there is a 16+ section would be to protect those younger than 16 from certain material. You may feelt that you are mature enough to veiw certain material but the fact is you are not. There are laws based on age because of this fact, in the US for example you have to be 16 to drive (15 1/2 to get a permit) this is because it is generally accepted that youths under 16 dont posses enough mental maturity to handle driving in very congested areas. In the US you have to be 18 to vote, or join the military (you can be younger but you need parental consent) again this is becaue it is accepted that youths do not have the mental maturity to vote for themselves, and in order to join the military you do need some sort of physicall strength and 18 is the age most people stop growing so that would be one reason why you need to be 18 in order to join the military. In the US you need to be 21 to buy alcohol, again because of mental maturity.

I'd say such laws do more harm than good and are highly opinionated, based on each societies norms, as I believe somebody said above this. You can drink as young as 5 while at home in the UK. Sound strange? There is NO restriction on acohol in Cambodia and Mauritius. :drink:

Lets look at AOC for another stunning example, eh? There is no AOC in Yemem: you can't have sex until your married. It's 18 in Tanzania. It's 16 in most US states. 14 in some US states. It's only 12 in the Vatican State. With this in mind, how does individual cultures and societies norms effect silly rules on the internet, a global network? How is discrmination based on age, with the excuse of "its my societies norms!", justified on the internet, which is an international network exceeding all cultural and societal differences. I could understand if it was based on laws, pointless as they may be, but clearly the issue here isn't legal at all.

So although you made a very well written post showing that you have a degree of mental strength the reason you are not allowed into the 16+ section is not because people here are discriminating against you it is because socitey as a whole believes that you are not mentally or emotionally mature enough to veiw that material... end rant.

Haha, that's funny. Clearly, as demonstrated above, different societies norms do not apply on the Internet. And, whats more, even IF your society applied here, it's STILL discrimination based on age. It's like people who justify their horrible, sickening actions with religious doctrine. Just because it's normal doesn't make it right.

Assaultrifle · Sep 28th 2009, 11:16pm

I do not plan to catch any STD or get anybody pregnant. Condoms and birth control will solve these issues 99% of the time. If some freak accident happens, than hey, shit happens, but living your life in fear of the unlikely seems silly to me. No, of course I don't have the maturity to have a baby (would you at 16? ~_-), but I do have the maturity to prevent such an event from ever occurring. If I were to have unprotected sex than fuck, that shits on me, but it'd be due to irresponsibility, which, again, has nothing to do with age.

It seems to me that you are just unwilling to accept that there is a correlation between age and maturity and age and responsibility. Responsibility and maturity generally come with age. Yes, there are exceptions but for the vast majority of people those qualities are related to age. And the line must be drawn in accordance with the vast majority of the population because that is the most logical way to draw it.

JoBro · Sep 28th 2009, 11:26pm

CalifornianDream wrote:

I get what you're saying, but in likes of the 16+ forum, it may be inappropriate for under 16's to view that section. I I can very much see why under 16's aren't allowed to view sexual 'or' glamor material. Just think about it for a second, it's not set for kids/young teens to view, despite how mature a person is. There has to be some borderline. As for other stuff, i very much agree. I've never been one to believe you should be a certain age to have rights for things, as maturity completely outweighs that. But having said that, i'd personally say that you're not seeing the rules mature minded.

I agree with every part of this completely. And I'm not old enough to view the 16+ yet.

TVizzy · Sep 28th 2009, 11:41pm

Assaultrifle wrote:

It seems to me that you are just unwilling to accept that there is a correlation between age and maturity and age and responsibility. Responsibility and maturity generally come with age. Yes, there are exceptions but for the vast majority of people those qualities are related to age. And the line must be drawn in accordance with the vast majority of the population because that is the most logical way to draw it.

Show me the damn studies. Show me the scientific proof. Data, bitch, I want data! What proof is there? Personal experience?

"Well, when I was your age I thought I was mature, but now, after aging, I know I was wrong."

Thats no different than the religious convert.

"Well, I used to think Judaism was true, but now, after spending a couple years in Saudi Arabia and converting to Islam, I know that I was wrong."

How can you provide an unbiased analyzation as to how you thought back than after moving into a different age group? Of course you think you used to be wrong, because your way of thinking has changed and you automatically assume that this new way is right.

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artemis_samhain wrote:

I agree with every part of this completely. And I'm not old enough to view the 16+ yet.

Ah, and the Vichy has shown it's face. Accept your oppression, it may give you a warm bed to sleep on at night. But I shall continue the fight! Through the cold, through the dark, through the bloodshed, I shall fight on!

Vive la France! Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

JoBro · Sep 29th 2009, 12:14am

TVizzy wrote:

Ah, and the Vichy has shown it's face. Accept your oppression, it may give you a warm bed to sleep on at night. But I shall continue the fight! Through the cold, through the dark, through the bloodshed, I shall fight on!

That made no sense to me.

Fashion · Sep 29th 2009, 1:38am

You don't understand reality, and tbh i didn't either at your age. I was forever questioning why this, this and this was set in law for such and such of age, but to tell you the truth, i couldn't give a damn about it all now, because you just don't think about it when you reach 18. I honestly don't see full maturity from you when it comes to this topic though.
I agree with Mercedes, kids always think they're mature tbh. I did, except i was more mature than the majority of people in my age group.

dandaitalianman · Sep 29th 2009, 2:07am

You have a lot to learn buddy.

When I was 13, I thought I was extremely mature for my age, and I still think I was. Now as I look back to my maturity level back then and compare it to my current maturity level, I realize how much I have grown psychologically. Back then, I could have never dealt with some of the things I am dealing with now.
There's no way I could have lived on my own back then as I do now. I knew how to do a lot of things that might suggest I could have lived on my own lie cooking, cleaning and doing laundry. But there's so many other factors other than that with which I have to deal now. I wouldn't have been able to go on job interviews or manage finances when I was 13.

The fact that age limits are established is not to discriminate, rather to aid in development. One might think they know a lot when they are young but that just means that they don't know what they don't know.
Being wise is knowing what you don't know and being mature is knowing when it's ok to be immature.

IndySkater8763 · Sep 29th 2009, 2:40am

Yo, Yo Imma let you finish in a minute..but you know uh I'm more mature than you EVER. The most ever!

alfaspider06 · Sep 29th 2009, 5:57pm

TVizzy wrote:

I do not plan to catch any STD or get anybody pregnant. Condoms and birth control will solve these issues 99% of the time. If some freak accident happens, than hey, shit happens, but living your life in fear of the unlikely seems silly to me. No, of course I don't have the maturity to have a baby (would you at 16? ~_-), but I do have the maturity to prevent such an event from ever occurring. If I were to have unprotected sex than fuck, that shits on me, but it'd be due to irresponsibility, which, again, has nothing to do with age.

Nobody plans to get an STD, see this is an example of how you are not mature...STDs happen becasue of carelessness. I do not live my life fearful of STDs but I am aware of the fact they are out there and you have to be VERY careful or you WILL get one, simple as that. Oh and I am actually over 16...just fyi. At my current age I do feel that I would know what to do if I got someone pregnant, your caviler attitude of "shit happens" shows that you do not have the mental maturity to handle a situation like that.

TVizzy wrote:

I'd say such laws do more harm than good and are highly opinionated, based on each societies norms, as I believe somebody said above this. You can drink as young as 5 while at home in the UK. Sound strange? There is NO restriction on acohol in Cambodia and Mauritius. Lets look at AOC for another stunning example, eh? There is no AOC in Yemem: you can't have sex until your married. It's 18 in Tanzania. It's 16 in most US states. 14 in some US states. It's only 12 in the Vatican State.

Each society and culture has its own thoughts on how to protect youths. Age of Concnet and the consumption of alcohol do not indicate maturity. Just because you can have sex or drink does not mean you are mature enough to do so. Like I said in my first response to you, AGE is a HUGE factor in maturity. You may not like that answer but you will understand when you are older.

TVizzy wrote:

With this in mind, how does individual cultures and societies norms effect silly rules on the internet, a global network? How is discrmination based on age, with the excuse of "its my societies norms!", justified on the internet, which is an international network exceeding all cultural and societal differences. I could understand if it was based on laws, pointless as they may be, but clearly the issue here isn't legal at all.

I never said that the 16+ section was based on legal issues. It is here to protect the younger members from content that is for a more mature audience. And I would assume to protect the mods from getting in trouble (if you have to ask why this is you obviously are not mature enough to go into that section).

TVizzy wrote:

Haha, that's funny. Clearly, as demonstrated above, different societies norms do not apply on the Internet. And, whats more, even IF your society applied here, it's STILL discrimination based on age. It's like people who justify their horrible, sickening actions with religious doctrine. Just because it's normal doesn't make it right.

Since this website encompases multiple cultures I would assume the age of 16 was chosen becuase it is a kind of median age that is allowed for mature content. It is not discrimination, but it is designed for protection.

plax77 · Sep 29th 2009, 6:10pm

nice, you're a hypocrite, great

TVizzy · Sep 29th 2009, 9:27pm

alfaspider06 wrote:

I never said that the 16+ section was based on legal issues. It is here to protect the younger members from content that is for a more mature audience. And I would assume to protect the mods from getting in trouble (if you have to ask why this is you obviously are not mature enough to go into that section).

So, if I ever desired to post such material, I would have no other option but to post in any one of the other forums. This is against the rules however. So your protecting others from my material because it may offend someone, and I am barred from posting the material in the designated part of the forum because I might be offended by content posted by others... which is the same as the content I am trying to post?

Huh.

No, I think the real reason is because people have a barrelload of prejudices. "13 year olds are small and creepy, we don't want to view their material and we don't want them viewing our material." Huh. Admit it folks, so far everything you've come up with to convince me otherwise has been our old friend, the "The 16+ forum is justified in being the 16+ forum because it is the 16+ forum" logic. There is no longer any point in stating otherwise, the debate has been won and I am satisfied. RAWR!

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plax77 wrote:

nice, you're a hypocrite, great

This is a debate. I am practicing for real debates, just trying to get my brain in debating function again - stretching legs I haven't used for quite a while. In a real debate, you are assigned a stance - you don't have to agree with whatever your debating for.

So, no - I am not a hypocrite. Your just a tad thick skulled I guess.

plax77 · Sep 29th 2009, 9:28pm

lol, i was talking bout the thread where you gave age limits to drugs

TVizzy · Sep 29th 2009, 9:35pm

plax77 wrote:

lol, i was talking bout the thread where you gave age limits to drugs

I know. I am actually for age limits on certain issues. I personally think the 16+ thing is silly, but I don't actually really give a shit, you know? Can't make a point without people jumping all over it with rhetoric. "Clearly, you are immature, as this post demonstrates. *sniff* Hmph."

It's all cool though man, I know how people overreact when they deem something a potential threat. (People were afraid I might actually influence a change? Yea, those prejudices definitely exist, regardless of whether or not I really care.)

Heather · Sep 29th 2009, 9:36pm

TVizzy wrote:

I know. I am actually for age limits on certain issues. I personally think the 16+ thing is silly, but I don't actually really give a shit, you know? Can't make a point without people jumping all over it with rhetoric. "Clearly, you are immature, as this post demonstrates. *sniff* Hmph."

It's all cool though man, I know how people overreact when they deem something a potential threat. (People were afraid I might actually influence a change? Yea, those prejudices definitely exist, regardless of whether or not I really care.)

Haha. You thought you were going to bring about change by being a 13 year old on a power trip? k princess.

TVizzy · Sep 29th 2009, 9:38pm

Heatherbby wrote:

Haha. You thought you were going to bring about change by being a 13 year old on a power trip? k princess.

Hop off the dick hun. If you really didn't think it made a difference whether or not I ranted, why did you bother responding in the first place? Nah, you deemed it a threat - that or you get off on picking on little kids. Biatch.

Heather · Sep 29th 2009, 9:40pm

TVizzy wrote:

Hop off the dick hun. If you really didn't think it made a difference whether or not I ranted, why did you bother responding in the first place? Nah, you deemed it a threat - that or you get off on picking on little kids. Biatch.

Hop off the dick?! Excuse you? And you're supposed to be mature? You must be dreaming sweetheart.

plax77 · Sep 29th 2009, 9:41pm

haha he's kinda funny heather. dickhead, but funny

TVizzy · Sep 29th 2009, 10:14pm

Heatherbby wrote:

Hop off the dick?! Excuse you? And you're supposed to be mature? You must be dreaming sweetheart.

Edit: Ah screw the scathing retort, this shit got old. Jah love!

IndySkater8763 · Sep 29th 2009, 11:50pm

This thread has made my IQ go down a point.

Anonymous1 · Sep 30th 2009, 12:16am

at your age, your mind hasn't fully matured and it's inappropriate for you to discuss sex topics andddd ,5'8 is fuking average for a 20 year old man, how you gonna tell me its average for a 13 year old kid, most kids aat 13 are around 5 foot to 5'4 and are 110 pounds

ohh btw, i gotta admit, i started watching porn at 13, well thats when i hit puberty

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