A BIG flaw of capitalism.

    • A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      The capitalist economic model is based on growth. Capitalism is working if there is growth. If industry produces more, if there are more things bought if more resources are exploited. But it is this very base that makes it destructive. Capitalism seeks infinite growth. If it does not grow, it is unsucsessfull. Yet, there are a finite number of resources present on the earth. One cannot maintain growth forever. Eventually a balance must be reached between population and avalable resources. Without such a balance humanity will become extinct. But such a balance cannot exist along with an economis system that is only made to grow.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

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      Idiot. In order to grow, a thing needs resources. It needs matter of a sort. FOr an economy to grow it needs raw materials. Unless you have developed a way to sponteneously generate matter, continuous growth is impossible. Its common sense. But look who I am talking to.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Il Duche wrote:

      Idiot. In order to grow, a thing needs resources. It needs matter of a sort. FOr an economy to grow it needs raw materials. Unless you have developed a way to sponteneously generate matter, continuous growth is impossible. Its common sense. But look who I am talking to.


      Wow, I asked you to explain a little more, and we're down to name calling.

      Of course it needs resources. But one resource runs out, another takes over. We run out of coal, we use hydro, or wind, or solar power.

      What you're talking about doesn't just effect capitalism.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      The basic tennant of capitalism is growth. It is not just one resource after another, they are all used. Usually at the same time. The flaw is that it cannot be maintained forever. Rampant exploitation of resources increases growth which increases exploitation which increases growth. The whole process results in the use of resources and the creation of an unmanagable population. Do you see now?

      And this is a problem mainly of capitalism because capitalism is based on growth. If there is no growth, there is no capitalist economy.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Il Duche wrote:

      The basic tennant of capitalism is growth. It is not just one resource after another, they are all used. Usually at the same time. The flaw is that it cannot be maintained forever. Rampant exploitation of resources increases growth which increases exploitation which increases growth. The whole process results in the use of resources and the creation of an unmanagable population. Do you see now?

      And this is a problem mainly of capitalism because capitalism is based on growth. If there is no growth, there is no capitalist economy.


      But how is that any different from our use of resources and economy right now?

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Every economy in the world uses, to large degrees, the capitalist model. There are, sadly, no exceptions. The entire globe uses capitalism to to business and they are growing without halt. The exploitation of our natural resources is reaching a stretching point.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Il Duche wrote:

      Every economy in the world uses, to large degrees, the capitalist model. There are, sadly, no exceptions. The entire globe uses capitalism to to business and they are growing without halt. The exploitation of our natural resources is reaching a stretching point.


      But some of out natural resources will never run out. Well not for millions of years anyway.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      capitalism. - "an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth."

      What does any of this have to do with use of resources. What i believe is being described is the way the economy is run. Which has nothing to do with what capitalism is.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      One cannot ignore what capitalism does practically. You must become more familiar with economics before you offer your opinions. As it stands now, you seem completely ignorant.

      But some of out natural resources will never run out. Well not for millions of years anyway.

      Yes, and some will. Can you build a civilization on only silocon? Or only on Manganese? No. All the resources we use are needed in order to build machinery, technology and everything that civilization depends upon. There are abundancies and scarcities of the different resources. Having a big abundance of one resource cannot save us from eventual extinction of other equally important or more importan resources are depleted.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Il Duche wrote:

      One cannot ignore what capitalism does practically. You must become more familiar with economics before you offer your opinions. As it stands now, you seem completely ignorant.


      Yes, and some will. Can you build a civilization on only silocon? Or only on Manganese? No. All the resources we use are needed in order to build machinery, technology and everything that civilization depends upon. There are abundancies and scarcities of the different resources. Having a big abundance of one resource cannot save us from eventual extinction of other equally important or more importan resources are depleted.


      But no matter what form of government is used, you're still using up all those resources. How do you see capitalism using them up any faster?

      I'm not ignorant, I'm just trying to understand your point of view, that's all.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Capitalism is an economic system, not a government. Another type of economic model, say socialism, puts the control of industry and growth in the hands of the people, to be managed by democratic means. In this way, the economic growth can be slowed or even stopped and a balance can be determined where the population does not strip the potential of its enviroment. Capitalism does not do this. Every man controls property and constantly fights to get more. In order for people to make more money, something must be mined and created in order to increase the supply of wealth in an economy. The more people, the more money sought, the more exploitation the more growth. This is a simplistic chain, but it is accurate.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

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      Nayrue wrote:

      Il Duche wrote:

      One cannot ignore what capitalism does practically. You must become more familiar with economics before you offer your opinions. As it stands now, you seem completely ignorant.

      I find it amuzing that you go and call me ignorant but have not stated anything to deny my argument.

      Your "argument" is a regurgitation of the most basic definition of capitalism. You cannot possibly base your argument on a one sentence definition when arguing on a topic of such scale. It requires deeper thought and consideration that is not always present in a book or dictionary. That is the definition of the most basic idea of capitalism. If you consider it more, on a bigger scale a whole new patter emerges that was not shown in the definition.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Il Duche wrote:

      Nayrue wrote:


      Your "argument" is a regurgitation of the most basic definition of capitalism. You cannot possibly base your argument on a one sentence definition when arguing on a topic of such scale. It requires deeper thought and consideration that is not always present in a book or dictionary. That is the definition of the most basic idea of capitalism. If you consider it more, on a bigger scale a whole new patter emerges that was not shown in the definition.



      Okay.
      I have been reading through..
      and you aren't making any sense..
      what you are saying is going through one ear and out the other.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Yeah, exactly. LIke I'm not arguing against you, just what you're saying is making absolutely no sense to me in relation to capitalism. What you're saying to me has to do with all forms of government and all types of economy. You haven't shown me what this has to do with capitalism.

      "Capitalism is based on growth."

      How? Explain your details. Give examples or something.

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Angelwings411 wrote:

      Il Duche wrote:




      Okay.
      I have been reading through..
      and you aren't making any sense..
      what you are saying is going through one ear and out the other.


      Exactly. He's repeating the same things over and over again, calling us ignorant, but yet not even explaining what he's talking about. Well of course we'll be ignorant when we don't understand him!

    • Re: A BIG flaw of capitalism.

      Read, understand make your own conclusions.

      Each person in a capitalist economy tries to accumulate wealth. The more wealth the better. In order to creat wealth, one needs to exploit the natural resources and turn them into goods or services that would allow you to gain more wealth. The more people, the more wealth is wanted and thus more resources are exploited. This will continue usually despite enviromental effects because one strives for more wealth in a capitalist economy. THus more resources are exploited and growth occurs. Because of social and personal and biological factors, usually if people have wealth they have children, or sometimes have children to procure wealth. Thus those children, as well as the parents, try to procure more wealth as directed by the economy. This growth continues and because each person tries to make as much wealth as possible, or to make wealth in general, growth does not stop. Resources are thus exploited and eventually depleted. Because of the innate wealth driven economic model, growth never ceases and resources are used up.
      This explenation is not the best, but it is accurate. It does not address everything but it should provide a basic view of my argument.

      Basically, the only way to procure wealth is to exploit resources. The more people, the more exploitation of resources and capitalism does not provide for a way by which this exploitation can be lessened.
      The proleterians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have the world to gain. Working Men of the World, Unite! ~Karl Marx