I personally am atheist, and I don't feel a need to prove he doesn't exist. It's what I believe and I don't need to justify it to other people. Now if someone asks me why I am an atheist I will tell them all my reasons, but I'm not going to shove it down their throat.

I agree with this. No one should force their beliefs on someone else, but neither should they have to justify them. Although I think it's okay to question each others beliefs as long as an argument doesn't follow

As an Atheist, I hear from Christians that I'm going to hell.

As a Christian, I heard from atheists that I'm crazy.

I'd rather be going to hell than be crazy.

To the OP: I'm not trying to disprove anything as an Atheist. All I know is, ever since I turned into an Atheist, I am now perceived as a negative person. /shrug

If I was taking you seriously I would provide more serious and thoughtful answers. I just like to watch you squirm around in your little glee. It's cute.

Concession of defeat/stonewall?

I'd rather be going to hell than be crazy.

So, wait. Someone else's opinion of you is what leads you to your beliefs? Are you not comfortable enough in your own sanity to be earnest in your commitments?

I don't believe in Christianity or any mainstream religion because I believe in science, which is why I'm an agnostic. I'm plenty comfortable. All Catholics believe if you do not believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you're going to hell, place of sinners, place of crazy people.

Go ahead, I'm waiting on you to manipulate this post like you did my first.

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If I was taking you seriously I would provide more serious and thoughtful answers. I just like to watch you squirm around in your little glee. It's cute.

If you're going to lie your way out of this, be creative or I’ll get bored.

I don't believe in Christianity or any mainstream religion because I believe in science, which is why I'm an agnostic. I'm plenty comfortable. All Catholics believe if you do not believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you're going to hell, place of sinners, place of crazy people.

Go ahead, I'm waiting on you to manipulate this post like you did my first.

Who was manipulating your post? I was asking a question. You people need to stop taking everything as a personal attack.

Catholicism is not the only branch of Christianity and, besides, is probably the most warped denomination in my view. Many Christians don't even believe in Hell and even the ones who do vary in a plethora of doctrines. You're generalizing, my friend.

I don't see how Science conflicts with Christianity in the least, but whatever. How does believing in Christianity make one crazy? Or if you don't believe that Christians are crazy, how was the comment about craziness versus damnation relevant? The idea that someone believing in Christianity is a result of craziness makes no sense in light of the fact that more people believe it than any other religion in the world. If anything, it's more crazy to identify with an outlook that "everyone is crazy, but me."

But I wouldn't be audacious to make the claim that all atheists are crazy because such a broad generalization is absurd.

maybe because it's impossible to disprove something that's real?

Why do we feel the need to disprove God?
Maybe because over time, religion has killed more people than any other unnatural cause ever? People unneccesarilly(sp?) give their own and take others' lives for "Gods" every single day, despite evidence contradicting them getting stronger year by year.

What have we got that disproves Gods? Anything science-based pretty much does that.
What have relious people got that proves Gods? Aincient texts that were almost definitely created either because the people at the time had a lesser understanding of the world as we do now, or simply as metaphors to live by to try and improve life in times when people died young and lived little.

Yeah everyone's entitled to their own views, but I find this argument is rarely reversed on the religous. I don't care if my view on it offends religious people, have they never stopped to think that maybe their views offend Atheists?

Take your pic, thousands more years of ruthless killing in the name of "Gods", or a world full of people that deal with things in a logical manner?

Common sense.

i don't think they're seeking confirmation of their beliefs. i think most atheists who are like that are just people who have been judged by their friends and family for their disbelief in god, so they start being hostile and constantly trying to down everyone else's beliefs as a sort of defense mechanism.

I highly doubt that is anywhere close to why, for the majority at least.

Maybe because over time, religion has killed more people than any other unnatural cause ever? People unneccesarilly(sp?) give their own and take others' lives for "Gods" every single day, despite evidence contradicting them getting stronger year by year.

Religion kills people or do crazy people kill people? Stalin was an atheist. By that logic, the atheism has killed more people than the Holocaust's entire tenure -- in one year.

What have we got that disproves Gods? Anything science-based pretty much does that.

Examples?

What have relious people got that proves Gods? Aincient texts that were almost definitely created either because the people at the time had a lesser understanding of the world as we do now, or simply as metaphors to live by to try and improve life in times when people died young and lived little.

Sure. If you discount the Teldon Stella, historical accounts of Jesus and his miracles (including persecutors of Christianity), the "coincidence" of everything in the Bible adding up to what we know about the world today in both science and history, the discovery of the Hittites, the frailties of abiogensis, documentation of the sky darkening during Passover (when Yeshua was crucified), among numerous other gems of information.

It sucks when you put yourself on such a high pedestal that it bruises when you get knocked down, huh?

I don't know if that logic applies, because Stalin wasn't killing in the name of atheism. Also, to my knowledge, the bible isn't the most accurate or realistic interpretation of the past, yet people down here (the South) certainly claim it to be so.

I'm sure there's some fact rooted in the Bible. I would hope so, anyways. However, the massive amounts of what appears to be story telling turns me off from ever considering to take it seriously.

Thank you, saved me some tired typing.

And yeah there's bound to be some fact in all religious texts, otherwise the people wouldn't have believed them in the first place would they?

don't know if that logic applies, because Stalin wasn't killing in the name of atheism.

It doesn't matter. The point was that you can't lump someone's religious ties to their crazy actions. Christianity, itself, is not responsible for the crusades or the dark ages -- people in power who convoluted it did.

Is Communism/Socialsm responsible for the deaths of people? Or are psychotic dictators?

This mentality completely alleviates the individual of their own transgressions and makes a scape goat out Religion. It's no different than Jack Thompson and his crusade against violent video games.

It's an immature mentality to scape goat something in that manner.

Also, to my knowledge, the bible isn't the most accurate or realistic interpretation of the past, yet people down here (the South) certainly claim it to be so.

Well, what's inaccurate?

You're entitled to believe whatever you want and I have no problem with that, but BlockHead's intolerant, close minded, belligerent attitude is naturally going to provoke response.

I wasn't supporting any sort of belief there but merely criticizing the approach you took in your reply. I personally believe all individuals are responsible for their own actions, but if a belief system encourages that action, then that belief must also take at least some blame.

My view on religious texts and inaccuracy is that blatant untruths and contradictions are not ignorable. Doing so is ignorant.

I know you weren't. I was responding to the raw argument.

I try my best.

To get every other atheist lumped in in the same respect and create animosity where there shouldn't be any? Yeah, you do do a good job at epitomizing the stupid side of atheism.

It's okay though. People like Zen can pick up your slack.