Sexual orientation and transgenders

    • Sexual orientation and transgenders

      I'm transgender girl basically I have a boy's body but feels definitely more like a girl than boy. So if I have a crush on another boy does it makes me straight or gay ?

      Guys if you are straight would you date a transgender girl ? Knowing full well she has a boy's body
      Girls if you're lesbian would you also ?

      You both have the right to say no I wont be offended :saint:
      Dont be afraid to come talk to me, I dont bite... :D
    • I've never thought about it either. It's an intriguing question in that being gay, I'm attracted to gay boys. I think a transgender girl is a girl so not sure how that would work out, given the fact that they would eventually transition physically as well? Very complicated and confusing for me to wrap my head around completely if I'm being honest. That said, I believe that love comes first and foremost in a relationship though, so there is that.
    • collin13 wrote:

      I've never thought about it either. It's an intriguing question in that being gay, I'm attracted to gay boys. I think a transgender girl is a girl so not sure how that would work out, given the fact that they would eventually transition physically as well? Very complicated and confusing for me to wrap my head around completely if I'm being honest. That said, I believe that love comes first and foremost in a relationship though, so there is that.
      Ha ha, it was just a question, dont mess your head and stop yourself from sleeping just to look for an answer :D
      I can start my transition by taking girls hormones but not before 16, for the moment I am only on boy's puberty hormones blockers so I still have a boy's body
      Dont be afraid to come talk to me, I dont bite... :D
    • I think it is usual to describe one's sexual orientation from the perspective of the gender you identify as, not the gender assigned at birth, so if you were born a boy but now identify as female and fancy boys then you would identify as a straight girl.

      In fact, this may be the reason behind some gay people being transphobic. Having got to the point where, in many places, it is ok to be out as LGB, there may now be some fear that being transgender is seen as an alternative, i.e. if the boy in my example above wasn't able to be public about their female gender identity they would have to live as a gay guy instead and possible some people see identifying as female and then saying you're straight as breaking rank, a lack of solidarity.

      Personally, I can't see anyone doing that. I think even though homophobia isn't completely eradicated, transphobia is more widespread. No-one would want to be awkward about the gender they identify as unless they felt something very fundamental that guided them to that gender. Avoiding attaching the label "gay" to yourself would not be sufficient reason.

      I am not sure how much help it would me answering the second question as I am bi, though biased towards girls. I would say, that isn't something I am particularly looking for but, if I happened to meet someone, who knows.
    • Pultost wrote:

      BritF wrote:

      Pultost wrote:

      I'm bi, so yeah, I would. :)
      Isn't that where pan would be a thing? You'd be attracted to someone no matter what they IDed as.
      Could be. The line between bi and pan is a bit blurry to me.
      Bi means attracted to boys and girls
      Pan means to boys and girls and everything in between : trans, queer, non binary,...

      Basically if you consider that there are only boys and girls on earth (I do), you are bi

      If you consider there are other genders than just boy and girl (and if you're attracted to them of course), you're pan
    • Starlord wrote:

      Pultost wrote:

      BritF wrote:

      Pultost wrote:

      I'm bi, so yeah, I would. :)
      Isn't that where pan would be a thing? You'd be attracted to someone no matter what they IDed as.
      Could be. The line between bi and pan is a bit blurry to me.
      Bi means attracted to boys and girlsPan means to boys and girls and everything in between : trans, queer, non binary,...

      Basically if you consider that there are only boys and girls on earth (I do), you are bi

      If you consider there are other genders than just boy and girl (and if you're attracted to them of course), you're pan
      Yeah, at the end of the day there are two kinds of people in this world: Those with dicks and those without, regardless of how they identify.
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    • Pultost wrote:

      Yeah, at the end of the day there are two kinds of people in this world: Those with dicks and those without, regardless of how they identify.
      You can certainly divide people into those two groups but to say that this is more fundamental than, for example, whether have XY or XX chromosomes or whether we have the SRY gene etc. is not so simple because the whole process by which people become one sex or the other and how that affects their gender identity is not quite so simple.

      Basically, the default is to be female. If things don't happen during development to make the baby male then it ends up female. The first change is due to a gene called SRY which is carried on the Y chromosome and not the X. That influences the development of the gonads so with SRY they develop into testicles and without it into ovaries. Even at this level there are some people who are XXY or XYY etc.

      Thereafter differentiation is controlled by hormones, especially by testosterone that the newly differentiated testcles make. Hormones cause the penis/clitoral tissue to develop into a full-size version with a signifant amount outside the body, i.e. a penis rather than a clitoris, supresses the development of the uterus and causes what would otherwise be the labia to develop into the scrotum instead and for the testicles to descend into it. There are some others with accessory glands like the prostate vs. Skenes gland, the bulbo-urthetral glands vs. Bartholin's glands etc.

      Then, later in development, testosterone influences the development of a number of areas of the hypothalamus, part of the brain, which seems to be related to gender identity and probably sexual orientation too. There can be issues during development both with testosterone level and sensitivity to it, including some effects from the immune system, that means someone can end up something being something in-between or with a mismatch between sex and gender identity.

      Then, the reason why this is complicated when it comes to attraction, is the question of whether people are attracted to genitals, some other part of the physical body, or to the way someone behaves, i.e. an expression of their gender identity? As an example, I would say I find rounder, more feminine faces more attractive than longer, more angular masculine faces. That means that, on average, I tend to find girls more attractive but I may find a guy with a more feminine face more attractive than a girl with a more masculine face. But I also think there is probably more to it than that.
    • Answer to your first question. I think generally speaking if you are trans boy attracted to a boy that makes you gay. In fact in many countries where it is illegal to be gay there are booms of people identifying as trans because then they can be in a “straight relationship” (however no one can put the label on you, if you don’t consider yourself gay who are they to tell you you are).

      edit. You said to another boy so I’m that moment I was thinking you were identifying as a boy, but your gender is female so I would say it makes you straight.

      Answer to your second question. I am straight and wouldn’t date a trans girl. I have thought about this and have decided that although identity is about gender, sexuality is about physical appearance. When I walk look at a person on the street, or look at porn online I know what I’m attracted to, it is a person with a female body. I have no idea what that persons gender is, my attraction is based on their physical body. Also if I got into a relationship with someone and loved them and found them gorgeous, if they later decided they were trans man I wouldn’t suddenly become unattracted to them, and I wouldn’t suddenly become gay. It’s based on their body. Lastly if it were based on gender there would be no such thing as a straight person because everyone has probably been attracted to someone, either online or in person who appeared to be the opposite sex but actually was a trans person.